Re: Controversies in Olympic Weightlifting
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:25 pm
@@mgil
@mouse
the buzzer: The judges push their red light button AS the lift is happening is real time if they see a violation. They don't "vote" after the lifter is done.
You normally get the down signal (buzzer) when the lift is complete/good: 2/3 judge press the white button at the completion.
OR
if 2/3 judges see an error, at that moment they get the 2nd judge's red button is pressed, you get the down signal.
For example, if during the clean, two of the three judges catch an elbow bouncing on the knee in the squat/catch, the down signal will buzz. There is no need for the lifter to bother with the rest of the lift. Another example, you snatch, but it the bottom-squat you are balancing things struggling, if two judges see an elbow bend, you'll get the down signal before you attempt to even stand it up.
So she jerked it, had the helicopter thing going on with it overhead, and got the down signal ..... so everyone thought that was a good lift.
But turns out it was no good.
She never controlled the helicoptering, so I guess people are saying they should not of given her the down signal. But if a judge saw an eblow lock-and-unlock while that helicopter thing was going on, and say another judge pushed red button previous at the exact moment of lockout in the split (I believe her left arm looked a little soft/bendy).....then yeah, that wasn't the "good-lift,-now-drop-it" buzzer .... its was the "you-just-got-your-2nd-red- drop-it" buzzer.
Either way, at most World Class high level meets, that would've been no lift.
Do better.
I believe: one judge got the left arm right at the moment of lockout in the split.
And the 2nd red-judge may of hit the 2nd red button on accident, just seeing what a shit show was going on during that helio-phase,
possibly not understanding the rules ... or, more likely, just getting caught up in the moment thing, anticipating her drop or a wreck was imminent.
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EDIT: Then there's the whole thing if its a meet with 3 judges, AND a secondary jury....and/or challenges allowed.
If that's the case, the lifter should always complete the lift if possible ... because you could get an override on a red lighted lift.
I'm not sure what happens in those cases with the down-signal on two red lights in the middle of the lift.
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EDIT2: IIRC, mattie (maddie?) Martha has some egregious elbows in some international lifts (Pan Ams? not sure) and got white lights,
while other lifters had micro-infractions you could only see in slow motion.
@mouse
the buzzer: The judges push their red light button AS the lift is happening is real time if they see a violation. They don't "vote" after the lifter is done.
You normally get the down signal (buzzer) when the lift is complete/good: 2/3 judge press the white button at the completion.
OR
if 2/3 judges see an error, at that moment they get the 2nd judge's red button is pressed, you get the down signal.
For example, if during the clean, two of the three judges catch an elbow bouncing on the knee in the squat/catch, the down signal will buzz. There is no need for the lifter to bother with the rest of the lift. Another example, you snatch, but it the bottom-squat you are balancing things struggling, if two judges see an elbow bend, you'll get the down signal before you attempt to even stand it up.
So she jerked it, had the helicopter thing going on with it overhead, and got the down signal ..... so everyone thought that was a good lift.
But turns out it was no good.
She never controlled the helicoptering, so I guess people are saying they should not of given her the down signal. But if a judge saw an eblow lock-and-unlock while that helicopter thing was going on, and say another judge pushed red button previous at the exact moment of lockout in the split (I believe her left arm looked a little soft/bendy).....then yeah, that wasn't the "good-lift,-now-drop-it" buzzer .... its was the "you-just-got-your-2nd-red- drop-it" buzzer.
Either way, at most World Class high level meets, that would've been no lift.
Do better.
I believe: one judge got the left arm right at the moment of lockout in the split.
And the 2nd red-judge may of hit the 2nd red button on accident, just seeing what a shit show was going on during that helio-phase,
possibly not understanding the rules ... or, more likely, just getting caught up in the moment thing, anticipating her drop or a wreck was imminent.
-----------------
EDIT: Then there's the whole thing if its a meet with 3 judges, AND a secondary jury....and/or challenges allowed.
If that's the case, the lifter should always complete the lift if possible ... because you could get an override on a red lighted lift.
I'm not sure what happens in those cases with the down-signal on two red lights in the middle of the lift.
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EDIT2: IIRC, mattie (maddie?) Martha has some egregious elbows in some international lifts (Pan Ams? not sure) and got white lights,
while other lifters had micro-infractions you could only see in slow motion.