Re: The Uneasy Truth About Traveling While Fat
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:28 am
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Maybe, but we aren't Japan. We have a completely different culture/belief system. That's not going to change. I agree that the money could be spent better, 100%. But, unfortunately, those decisions are left up to people who don't actually work in education anymore, or never did, and rarely (not trying to start a political argument because it's all politicians, imo) care about anything other than continuing to get to do their job. My state recently passed a law requiring all school teachers across the state to start at a minimum salary of $60,000. However, they provided no funding for the smaller counties to meet those requirements. So, where is all that money going to come from? I can tell you from personal experience since it happened in my county multiple times over the years. They're going to fire new teachers and increase class sizes, force retirement on veteran teachers, cut funding to "special programs" (read - music, art, STEM, etc.), and raise property taxes in the surrounding area, which people probably can't afford which is why the salaries are already lower to begin with. All of this will take place even with the mountains of educational research showing that reducing class sizes, retaining veteran teachers, and offering students the opportunity to participate in "special programs" all have measurable, positive impacts on student achievement. But like I said, they either don't know this or don't care.KyleSchuant wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:09 pmJapan manages it.Brackish wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:03 amWould I love to see school lunches go back to being made at school with locally sourced produce or even just being based on whole foods as opposed to stuff that comes in bags and just gets heated up? Heck yeah! That would be awesome. That being said, it's just not reasonable. My school system, which is a little baby one in comparison to most, has approximately 18,000 students. That's a big ask when it comes to procuring all of the food as well as finding, hiring, and retaining people that can actually cook to work in the school cafeterias for less than what you would make working at your local fast food joint.
We usually think spending more money is the thing to do. It's a very Anglosphere ideal. But sometimes it's a matter of spending the money better...
Obviously there'd have to be a transition period. If you're not used to good fresh fresh it'll be hard to stomach. So the culture would have to change. And just as obviously the useless administrators will resist any useful change, as they instinctively realise it'll lead to their unemployment. So it'd take time. But that's alright. The Anglosphere took fifty years to get fat, if it takes fifty years to get healthier I think we'd be doing well.
In the meantime I'll keep making my kids' school lunches.Yes. And abolish parent-teacher association meetings, that'll save on paying some teacher overtime, give money aside for decent school lunches, and reduce teacher burnout and turnover.5hout wrote:I'm perfectly willing to fire a bunch of teachers and admins to turn schools into safe, clean boxes to hold kids with decent food. I realize you may not agree
Sure. But as I pointed out with other examples, there are plenty of countries with similar cultures to the US who spend less n health and education and get the same or better outcomes, too. Australia, UK, NZ, Canada, etc. "Culture" is like "genetics" - it's just an excuse, really.
Some people are determined to fuck things up. Government is a great place to do this.5hout wrote:Maybe we're not placing enough emphasis on people being willfully fucking stupid.
You're right in that some countries spend less and get similar outcomes. The data seems to support that, from what I can find with quick Google searches. Similar outcomes for UK/US/Australia with the first two spending approximately $2k less per kid. Not sure what all figures into that cost, but I'm willing to bet that a decent chunk of that comes from the following areas - more administrators in the U.S. due to increased federal regulation of the educational system (just a guess), more court costs (not sure how litigious Australia and the U.K. are, but parents LOVE taking school systems to court in the U.S.), increased transportation costs (especially compared to a tiny country like the U.K.), etc.KyleSchuant wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:32 pmSure. But as I pointed out with other examples, there are plenty of countries with similar cultures to the US who spend less n health and education and get the same or better outcomes, too. Australia, UK, NZ, Canada, etc. "Culture" is like "genetics" - it's just an excuse, really.
As for your raising the teacher salary without changing the budget example, as 5hout said,
Some people are determined to fuck things up. Government is a great place to do this.5hout wrote:Maybe we're not placing enough emphasis on people being willfully fucking stupid.
So you're saying that U.K./Australia/U.S. are less good at school because of their "culture" ? Why ?
I'm playing the devil's advocate here but I think you underestimate how uneducated people (and unwilling to learn) are about nutrition. The moussaka dude probably thinks he's going to become a centenarian with his moussaka/baklava/halva strategy.5hout wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:56 am https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/commen ... irst_time/
"My wife's doctor has recommended a Mediterranean diet. I got two cookbooks from the second hand bookstore and asked her to pick three recipes for the week.
Today's dish was moussaka."
Maybe we're not placing enough emphasis on people being willfully fucking stupid. Doctor says "go eat Med Diet" meaning eat lots of of fresh veg, fish, whole grains/beans/nuts with limited on eliminated added sugar/processed foods/things made from food/flour.
Guy goes out and makes eggplant/béchamel/ground beef casserole. Will no doubt report to doc that they are doing the diet.
Since I drank a bunch of coffee and am feeling a general spirit of bonhomie: Yeah, honestly you're probably right. I don't really understand this disconnect from food, but I guess if you didn't grow up watching OG Molto Mario in the mid-90s and generally surrounded by what is now typified by Babish and J. Kenji Lopez Alt worshipping foodfucks you would could have that issue. Part of me wants to say "didn't he google it?", but of then my brain kicks in and says "google a food question? holy shit are you better off with random books from a 2nd hand store".CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:07 amI'm playing the devil's advocate here but I think you underestimate how uneducated people (and unwilling to learn) are about nutrition. The moussaka dude probably thinks he's going to become a centenarian with his moussaka/baklava/halva strategy.5hout wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:56 am https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/commen ... irst_time/
"My wife's doctor has recommended a Mediterranean diet. I got two cookbooks from the second hand bookstore and asked her to pick three recipes for the week.
Today's dish was moussaka."
Maybe we're not placing enough emphasis on people being willfully fucking stupid. Doctor says "go eat Med Diet" meaning eat lots of of fresh veg, fish, whole grains/beans/nuts with limited on eliminated added sugar/processed foods/things made from food/flour.
Guy goes out and makes eggplant/béchamel/ground beef casserole. Will no doubt report to doc that they are doing the diet.
Doctor here, can confirm. In an online discussion between doctors regarding protein supplementation, a geriatrician (who should be paying attention to these things) confidently asserted that a 1/4 lb burger contains 75 grams of protein. He didn't even act embarrassed when called out on his error. At least a random person on BB.com cares about being right about nutrition. There was an hour lecture on nutrition in medical school. Other than that it was whatever slipped into lectures on something else, and whatever is being taught in primary care residency.5hout wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:45 am
Then you've got the whole general lack of knowledge about what the fuck a carb is vs protein vs fat vs vegetables blahblahblah. Then you add in most doctor's think they are fucking nutrition geniuses (along with geniuses at everything else) when they have less knowledge than a random person on bb.com about diet.
All kinds of reasons. I'm going to generalize, so I apologize in advance for that.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:04 amSo you're saying that U.K./Australia/U.S. are less good at school because of their "culture" ? Why ?
this is true in the US. Where helping people is culturally frowned upon. When legislation is passed for social programs Congress places onerous stipulations and reporting requirements that necessitate large administrative staffs and costly bureaucracy. Greatly increasing the cost and decreasing the effectiveness of these endeavors. Almost by design.KyleSchuant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:06 pm If what Brackish says is true, then spending more on health and education still won't give the Anglosphere better outcomes.
The interaction of the US political system with the welfare sector works like the midwestern couple who couldn't agree on where to go for winter vacation. One wanted to go to the beach in south Florida, the other wanted to go shopping and see the museums in NYC. So they compromised, one winter they went shopping in south Florida, and the next winter they went to the beach in NYC.aurelius wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:18 amthis is true in the US. Where helping people is culturally frowned upon. When legislation is passed for social programs Congress places onerous stipulations and reporting requirements that necessitate large administrative staffs and costly bureaucracy. Greatly increasing the cost and decreasing the effectiveness of these endeavors. Almost by design.KyleSchuant wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:06 pm If what Brackish says is true, then spending more on health and education still won't give the Anglosphere better outcomes.
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Government not working is a self fulfilling prophecy. Especially in the US.