MASS SHOOTING THREAD - Society has reached somekind of inflection point

[CheekiBreekiFitness]

The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.

In the sense that the 'reason' for car wrecks is cars and the 'reason' for obesity is food, then sure.

Ban the guns, the shootings will stop. Once again it's not very complicated.

[CheekiBreekiFitness]

The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.

People blame a thousand things:
- poverty
- mental health issues
- violent video games
- shock rock
- violent history
- bullying in school
- organized crime
- lack of employment
- etc.
Most countries in Europe have all of those things, but no shootings. It's really not that complicated.

Now what to do about it ? Probably nothing, because the people who own America (not the politicians, who are just here for show, the big business interests who fund all the campaigns and make all the important decisions) have decided that the people should be armed because it makes them rich. That's pretty much it.

Could you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?

ETA: I ask because firearms is a $~25B market in the US. Ammo is another 25.

Doesn't that answer the question ?

[mikeylikey]

it's not very complicated.

Well that's a relief.

[BostonRugger]

The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.

People blame a thousand things:
- poverty
- mental health issues
- violent video games
- shock rock
- violent history
- bullying in school
- organized crime
- lack of employment
- etc.
Most countries in Europe have all of those things, but no shootings. It's really not that complicated.

Now what to do about it ? Probably nothing, because the people who own America (not the politicians, who are just here for show, the big business interests who fund all the campaigns and make all the important decisions) have decided that the people should be armed because it makes them rich. That's pretty much it.

Could you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?

ETA: I ask because firearms is a $~25B market in the US. Ammo is another 25.

Doesn't that answer the question ?

No, it doesn't. For comparison, the *furniture* industry is 5x as large at ~250B. A single retailer, Wayfair, pulled in 12.2B in revenue last year.

Past that, there are plenty of firms in this country that are significantly larger than the entire firearms industry. It doesn't track that a $50B industry somehow holds undue influence over the US government.

[aurelius]

Yes obviously.

So you agree. Cool.

[aurelius]

No, it doesn't. For comparison, the *furniture* industry is 5x as large at ~250B. A single retailer, Wayfair, pulled in 12.2B in revenue last year.

Past that, there are plenty of firms in this country that are significantly larger than the entire firearms industry. It doesn't track that a $50B industry somehow holds undue influence over the US government.

I agree with your point. The $ is not the issue. A large percentage of Americans believe unfettered gun ownership is a right. They also believe that gun ownership is important to maintain freedoms. Which gives ‘outsized’ political power to lobby groups like the NRA. But that is just a reflection of the values of the electorate.

[mikeylikey]

Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.

What works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.

[CheekiBreekiFitness]

The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.

People blame a thousand things:
- poverty
- mental health issues
- violent video games
- shock rock
- violent history
- bullying in school
- organized crime
- lack of employment
- etc.
Most countries in Europe have all of those things, but no shootings. It's really not that complicated.

Now what to do about it ? Probably nothing, because the people who own America (not the politicians, who are just here for show, the big business interests who fund all the campaigns and make all the important decisions) have decided that the people should be armed because it makes them rich. That's pretty much it.

Could you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?

ETA: I ask because firearms is a $~25B market in the US. Ammo is another 25.

Doesn't that answer the question ?

No, it doesn't. For comparison, the *furniture* industry is 5x as large at ~250B. A single retailer, Wayfair, pulled in 12.2B in revenue last year.

Past that, there are plenty of firms in this country that are significantly larger than the entire firearms industry. It doesn't track that a $50B industry somehow holds undue influence over the US government.

You do not see the difference between furniture and firearms ?

[BostonRugger]

You do not see the difference between furniture and firearms ?

*exasperated sigh*

Could you draw this out a little bit? Who is it that you think is being enriched, and how?

[gtl]

Ban the guns, the shootings will stop. Once again it's not very complicated.

Idk why I think of this meme


GUNS ARE BANNED!

But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?

[mikeylikey]

But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?

[gtl]

But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?

Maybe took that too literally

[SSJBartSimpson]

But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?

I like taking guns away early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.

[gtl]

But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?

I like taking guns away early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.

How do you take guns away?

[SSJBartSimpson]

But, seriously, how do you ban guns? Not "we can't because of the NRA or Republcians." But, how?

I like taking guns away early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.

How do you take guns away?

Sorry, I was being snide.

[dw]

Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.

What works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.

Are you expressing the opinion that the shows cases are not representative of the jurisdictions it covers?

[mikeylikey]

Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.

What works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.

Are you expressing the opinion that the shows cases are not representative of the jurisdictions it covers?

No what I am expressing is I don't infer broad demographic trends based on incidents I see on TV. Are we really debating that?

[dw]

Consistent with this the vast majority of the cases are black and Hispanic people in poor neighborhoods or homeless, very often gang members or somehow affiliated. I think the show is a quite representative of the homicide demographics in the neighborhoods it covers.

What works for you on an epistemological basis is nobody's business but yours I guess.

Are you expressing the opinion that the shows cases are not representative of the jurisdictions it covers?

No what I am expressing is I don't infer broad demographic trends based on incidents I see on TV. Are we really debating that?

No. Although in fact that could be perfectly reasonable if the show were essentially an uncurated documentary. But regardless you have misconstrued my post.

[Philbert]

The reason for shootings in the US is simply because guns are available. That's all.

In the sense that the 'reason' for car wrecks is cars and the 'reason' for obesity is food, then sure.

Ban the guns, the shootings will stop. Once again it's not very complicated.

Like how we banned heroin and the overdoses stopped. Simple.
Unless they are a closet Nazi, a European really has no standing for criticizing the existence of the United States' violence culture.

[Brackish]

RE: Banning guns.

Not going to happen because it would require a constitutional amendment in the U.S. There is very, very little chance that, even if the amendment was supported by 2/3 of both the House and the Senate, that 3/4 of the states would then vote to ratify it. So, yeah, pretty much zero chance.