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The Russians have retreated from Lyman today.Hiphopapotamus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:51 amLooks like Ukraine has decided to celebrate the annexation of their territory but un-annexing Lyman and Yampil.
quikky wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:34 amThe Russians have retreated from Lyman today.Hiphopapotamus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:51 amLooks like Ukraine has decided to celebrate the annexation of their territory but un-annexing Lyman and Yampil.
Has there ever in history been a retreat from annexed territory literally a day after it was "officially" annexed? Putin must be approaching stage 4 of the clown make up meme.
Lol: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine- ... 28660.htmlHiphopapotamus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:36 am There's finally been a breakthrough in the Kherson front, up in the northern portion along the river. AFU are driving towards the Russian ferry locations along the riverbank. In the Lyman area they're also expanding their beachheads over the Oskil and driving towards the line Svatove-Kreminna in Luhansk.
Either that or the new borders will include the continental US. Hope I don't get called up...quikky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:52 amLol: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine- ... 28660.htmlHiphopapotamus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:36 am There's finally been a breakthrough in the Kherson front, up in the northern portion along the river. AFU are driving towards the Russian ferry locations along the riverbank. In the Lyman area they're also expanding their beachheads over the Oskil and driving towards the line Svatove-Kreminna in Luhansk.
Perhaps soon the "annexed" territories will simply be within real Russian borders.
If Ukraine pulls this off it will be the worst catastrophe for Russia in the whole war. Kherson has a lot of Russian forces, and if they really end up cut off with no way to retreat, it will either be a mass surrender, like thousands and thousands of troops, or a bloodbath. I guess the third option is if they are cut off from supplies completely, spilling more blood might become unnecessary.Hiphopapotamus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:12 pm The situation is more dire than we thought. Russia may be losing the support of of Fox News:
Russian troops boxed in by Ukrainian forces and Dnieper River, barge carrying supplies to Russian troops sinks
Hiphopapotamus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:12 pm The situation is more dire than we thought. Russia may be losing the support of of Fox News:
Russian troops boxed in by Ukrainian forces and Dnieper River, barge carrying supplies to Russian troops sinks
Lol"Attempts to establish an alternative crossing over the River Dnieper near Nova Kakhovka and Kozatske were unsuccessful," the command said. "A barge carrying weapons, equipment and military personnel joined the occupiers’ underwater fleet."
I read that UKR’s main strategic goal is to seperatw the Russians into two forces (north and south) that can’t support one another. Which they are close to accomplishing strategically. Then UKR will open a third front to the middle and drive to Maripol.quikky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:48 pmIf Ukraine pulls this off it will be the worst catastrophe for Russia in the whole war. Kherson has a lot of Russian forces, and if they really end up cut off with no way to retreat, it will either be a mass surrender, like thousands and thousands of troops, or a bloodbath. I guess the third option is if they are cut off from supplies completely, spilling more blood might become unnecessary.
Maybe UKR can't make a big push "forward", but I wonder how that winter-thing bodes for the RUS forces in-country ? ..... they simply die in place unable to be reinforced or resupplied .... and/or unable to retreat or mobilize around so easily?
Agreed, though I think winter may actually provide Ukraine some opportunities as well. I think they're going to be much better equipped to handle winter, while Russia will be deploying thousands of recent call-ups without proper clothes or equipment and a strong desire to frag their own officers, so I wouldn't be surprised to see UKR launch other offensive operations. In the meantime, it looks like the northern portion of the Kherson front is completely collapsing. I think they want to destroy as much of the professional army as possible, as quickly as possible, and invade glorious Russian homeland liberate as much territory as they can before the muddy season*.aurelius wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:05 amI read that UKR’s main strategic goal is to seperatw the Russians into two forces (north and south) that can’t support one another. Which they are close to accomplishing strategically. Then UKR will open a third front to the middle and drive to Maripol.quikky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:48 pmIf Ukraine pulls this off it will be the worst catastrophe for Russia in the whole war. Kherson has a lot of Russian forces, and if they really end up cut off with no way to retreat, it will either be a mass surrender, like thousands and thousands of troops, or a bloodbath. I guess the third option is if they are cut off from supplies completely, spilling more blood might become unnecessary.
I think winter is the only thing that will stop UKR.
huge eye roll. Musk is such a troll and offering a Russian apologist ‘reasonable’ solution.SnakePlissken wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:21 amElon Musk weighs in and most likely has drawn the ire of Ukraine.
Ukrainian officials had some proper responses:aurelius wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:02 amhuge eye roll. Musk is such a troll and offering a Russian apologist ‘reasonable’ solution.SnakePlissken wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:21 amElon Musk weighs in and most likely has drawn the ire of Ukraine.
UKR should make zero concessions to the Russians they do not want to. The Russians lost that ‘right’ when they invaded. Hold elections for their sovereign territory? Just give Russia Crimea? Remain neutral?
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