WL vs PL numbers?

[hector]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

[Testiclaw]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

[hector]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

Thank you!

[damufunman]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb

Woohoo!

and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

Oh Sad.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

What if said person cannot has not deadlift 500 lbs?

[Testiclaw]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb

Woohoo!

and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

Oh Sad.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

What if said person cannot has not deadlift 500 lbs?

I think it would be really hard to clean and jerk 140kg and not be able to train for a 500lb pull if you wanted to.

That being said, if someone has weightlifting numbers of 100/140kg I'm not too worried about their pull being less than 500lb. They're still way ahead of everybody else.

A lot of people pull over 500. Not a lot of people go 100/140.

[mbasic]

[asdf]

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

So that's like a 276 Sinclair.

What do you think of the Meltzer-Faber age adjustments? I'm old, so I like them. But they seem very generous.

[Testiclaw]

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

So that's like a 276 Sinclair.

What do you think of the Meltzer-Faber age adjustments? I'm old, so I like them. But they seem very generous.

No clue, don't have enough experience training a masters of older folks to know if I think it's small/big/etc

For what it's worth, I'm generally against sliding scales based on age, both young or old, however.

[asdf]

For what it's worth, I'm generally against sliding scales based on age, both young or old, however.

Where's the "Unfriend" button on this site??

[Testiclaw]

For what it's worth, I'm generally against sliding scales based on age, both young or old, however.

Where's the "Unfriend" button on this site??

Ha!

When I first started competing in powerlifting I was a teenager, but nobody would let me compete in anything other than Open.

Even now, the wife doesn't like to do anything lifting or throwing as a masters. She just cares about her numbers compared to other numbers, no special coefficients or protected populations.

[asdf]

Even now, the wife doesn't like to do anything lifting or throwing as a masters. She just cares about her numbers compared to other numbers, no special coefficients or protected populations.

With all due respect, how old is she? I felt the same way... until I went over the cliff around age 50. Now I welcome any scaling or norm-modification that makes me feel better as I fight valiantly to stave off the decline.

[Wilhelm]

Even now, the wife doesn't like to do anything lifting or throwing as a masters. She just cares about her numbers compared to other numbers, no special coefficients or protected populations.

With all due respect, how old is she? I felt the same way... until I went over the cliff around age 50. Now I welcome any scaling or norm-modification that makes me feel better as I fight valiantly to stave off the decline.

My USAPL state meets now use age adjusted IPF points.
The pool of lifters is small, and they used to have all the masters in one very small group, and the opens in another, and no age adjustment. I was competing against all masters ages and weights.
I'm glad to have a chance for best lifter if i work hard to get my total up.
Still not a gimme, for me anyway.
But it's just a Maine state meet, so i don't think it matters all that much for the kids who are going on to regionals and Nats.

Really, my reward is my total going up, and the actual USAPL state records, which are class specific.

It would still be fun to win best lifter, and i would have to work hard for that at State Championships, which has the most lifters of any meet i'll be going to.
When i lift next in 2021, i'll be turning 60 and be an M3.
The points boost from M2 to M3 is quite generous, i must say.

[Testiclaw]

Even now, the wife doesn't like to do anything lifting or throwing as a masters. She just cares about her numbers compared to other numbers, no special coefficients or protected populations.

With all due respect, how old is she? I felt the same way... until I went over the cliff around age 50. Now I welcome any scaling or norm-modification that makes me feel better as I fight valiantly to stave off the decline.

She's 41.

What's been hard for her now is how much has changed compared to her best.

She set records in the Pac-10 for throwing, gave herself 8 years to go to the Olympics...got to the Olympic trials but only got 17th, still has national records in highland games...totaled elite in powerlifting with a 515 squat and 315 bench, pulled 475 in just a belt...etc, etc.

She is utterly and completely incapable of accepting that she isn't the same woman and age takes its toll.

It's actually really hard to watch.

[Testiclaw]

For a 6' Scandinavian woman, she was jacked back in the day.

[CtMcBride]

Where might one find a good beginner program for weightlifting? And maybe some solid technique resources? Asking for a friend.

[asdf]

What's been hard for her now is how much has changed compared to her best.

Imagine never being very good in the first place, and then declining from there!

In all seriousness, my wife and I try to practice gratitude and keep our decline in perspective. We're lucky to be relatively injury-free and able to do the activities we love.

[Skander]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

And what of someone who does 115/125? I think if I had a really good/bad day it's entirely possible I could hit 120/120.

I hate the jerk so so much.

[Testiclaw]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

And what of someone who does 115/125? I think if I had a really good/bad day it's entirely possible I could hit 120/120.

I hate the jerk so so much.

What's your best clean versus best jerk?

I'm actually amazed at how little work jerks tend to get in America, they're almost an afterthought. Typically snatch and jerk volumes were roughly equal in most Soviet-inspired programming. In the US it's just a thing tacked on to the clean sometimes.

You probably miss forward and chase it?

[Skander]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

And what of someone who does 115/125? I think if I had a really good/bad day it's entirely possible I could hit 120/120.

I hate the jerk so so much.

What's your best clean versus best jerk?

I'm actually amazed at how little work jerks tend to get in America, they're almost an afterthought. Typically snatch and jerk volumes were roughly equal in most Soviet-inspired programming. In the US it's just a thing tacked on to the clean sometimes.

You probably miss forward and chase it?

Best clean (at the end of a maxout session): 140. Almost definitely can do 145 less fatigued.
Best jerk: 133.

My primary issue is that I just don't know how to do efficient leg drive. It's linked to the hip dominant pulls I've been fixing, but sufficiently different that I can't translate the two well. I had a revelation the other day during push press and I'm only recently integrating it into my jerk. I've had to steal from movement patterns from elsewhere (currently using ballet 2nd position plie as a reference for my dip+drive), but I plan to really rebuild my jerk after this coming meet. For now I'm still doing better than usual.

But I also fall forward on the dip, have sloppy footwork, and probably at least partly weak upper body. Basically I have 99 problems are the jerk is most of them

[Testiclaw]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb dude lifting on his own who snatches 100kg/220lb and clean & jerks 140kg/308lb is doing pretty damn good outside of dedicated weightlifting gyms or competitions.

He's stronger and more powerful and athletic than most people who touch barbells.

And what of someone who does 115/125? I think if I had a really good/bad day it's entirely possible I could hit 120/120.

I hate the jerk so so much.

What's your best clean versus best jerk?

I'm actually amazed at how little work jerks tend to get in America, they're almost an afterthought. Typically snatch and jerk volumes were roughly equal in most Soviet-inspired programming. In the US it's just a thing tacked on to the clean sometimes.

You probably miss forward and chase it?

Best clean (at the end of a maxout session): 140. Almost definitely can do 145 less fatigued.
Best jerk: 133.

My primary issue is that I just don't know how to do efficient leg drive. It's linked to the hip dominant pulls I've been fixing, but sufficiently different that I can't translate the two well. I had a revelation the other day during push press and I'm only recently integrating it into my jerk. I've had to steal from movement patterns from elsewhere (currently using ballet 2nd position plie as a reference for my dip+drive), but I plan to really rebuild my jerk after this coming meet. For now I'm still doing better than usual.

But I also fall forward on the dip, have sloppy footwork, and probably at least partly weak upper body. Basically I have 99 problems are the jerk is most of them

I honestly think leg drive is one of the worst problems most weightlifters have.

They are either hip dominant in their movement, or they passively lock their legs without pushing into the floor...and the two are definitely not the same.

We want a rigid body from ass to neck, and a controlled dip (shorter and slower than most people think) followed by a violent drive through the floor (on the full foot).

No leaning back, no hips, etc.

Almost every weightlifting movement comes down to aggressive but short leg explosion, but as you said a hip-dominant snatch and clean are somewhat possible...a jerk is not.