Coronavirus

[mbasic]

"WHO declares China coronavirus that’s killed 171 a global health emergency":

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/who-dec ... gency.html

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I wonder if this is really the new hospital they are building.

I wouldn't believe anything coming out of China.
Most all of the media outlets are government controlled.


Example:

[iamsmu]

I don't think we have a good handle on the kill rate. I see CNN saying 2.2%, but they are comparing the number dead with currently reported infection numbers, not the number infected at the time the people died. Of course, if pretty much all of Wuhan was infected, the infection numbers would be much higher and the kill rate lower. . . .

This has prompted me to make and maintain an epidemic box, so I can avoid going outside for at least two weeks.

Any campers out there have a recommendation for a water filter? I just started looking on Amazon.

[iamsmu]

This guys lives for pandemics.

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/

(Going to HD tomorrow to get some more N95 masks. I think I only have one left. . . .)

[Rasmusb]

Living in Shanghai this stuff is pretty close to me. The worst consequence of it all is that I am not able to train, which really pisses me off...

Other than that, empty streets. That's nice. I got eggs today, so kitchen is fully stocked again.

[mbasic]

https://www.thelocal.it/20200131/italy- ... ed-in-rome

martha may ann rodgers pulled out of her competition in Rome with a "flu like bug".
Weighed in as a 87 kilo liftah, and then did not compete.
Her whole hotel is sick supposedly.

[Root]

[mbasic]

leave it to the Danes


again

[Rasmusb]

Yeah, we're catching some flak for that one already. Chinese netizens are going out of their mind and the Chinese ambassador to Denmark has "demanded" an apology... Even the most liberal-minded of my Chinese friends cannot fathom that free speech includes stuff like this. "There must be limits" they say, "no" I reply.

While I do think it's an insensitive piece of satire that does more harm than good (especially as I am living in China), I am incensed by the Chinese infantile nationalist reaction. They have the confidence of an erectile dysfunctional teenager and lash out at anything that might hurt their sensitive feelings. I think the formal term is "Butthurt".

[iamsmu]

How many days of supplies should I keep in my epidemic box? I'm going to aim for two weeks.

Some pictures from Wuhan:

[iamsmu]

Confirmed case in Boston.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/fi ... s/2070535/

[mbasic]

I find it funny, I'm reading the the Chinese government is blaming US for spreading fear" and rumors.

At the same time, the Chinese Gov't is patting itself on that back that its building giant hospitals at record pace (to handle the outbreak/patents).

Like, if this is just on the order of a common cold/flu, then why build massive (temporary) hospitals to "handle" it?
Your normal day to day health care infrastructure should be able to deal with a little uptick in colds/flu? ... no?

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Every wrong with China right here.
And this attitude or "operating procedure", has seeped into their society's pschye for a long time now (many decades).
You get 1.5 billion people thinking like this .... its a big problem.

TLDR: A group of doctors/med students who tried to warn the public of the early indicators of a possible outbreak back in early December (via China's version of social media, which is heavily censored and monitored). They were promptly arrested for spreading rumors.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-arr ... e-plunging

[mbasic]

Also, I wonder if quarantining is the best move sometimes.

Like, you are now concentrating people into tight small little groups, guaranteeing that all those people infect each other in a confined space.
I mean, if they don't run that quarantine out to the Nth degree, and then declare its "off" at the wrong time.
Seems like could be a recipe for disaster.

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[mbasic]

Odd that the first fatality outside of China, was a 44 year old Philippine man.
Not exactly "elderly" there at all. Maybe he was a smoker.
I guess if your lungs are already compromised you might develop pneumonia easier or whatever.
This will kill a lot of poor people in China.
something like 2/3 of Chinese men smoke.

The second death outside of mainland (CCP controlled china):

A 39-year-old patient died on Tuesday morning in Hong Kong from sudden heart failure after being diagnosed with the virus, the South China Morning Post reported. The news outlet noted that the man had been the 13th confirmed case of the coronavirus in Hong Kong, a semi-autonomous region of China

. So 1/13 cases (granted: reported cases) in Hong Kong results in a fatality .... sub 40 y.o. male? hmmmmmmmm

Rumors are out they were/are running the crematoriums 24/7.
Prior to this, their permits only only them to run/burn for 4 hours a day.
China has instituted an emergency policy that people can't buried in the ground any longer in Wuhan.
You HAVE TO be (immediately?) cremated now....so that's nice...
(but the US is guilty of fear mongering)
I think what it was, people noticed the constant nonstop burning BEFORE the gov't mandated the cremation only thing.
So another cover up?
But the funny thing is, I'm pretty sure cremation was a common method of a funeral in China.
So it would appear a shit ton more people are dying.

The ugly Uyghur scenario that could play out accidental on purpose that I spoke if earlier in this thread:
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/uyghur-musli ... -1.4794528

[iamsmu]

I'm seeing claims that the virus can survive on smooth surfaces for 5 days given moderate humidity and non-extreme temps. Elsewhere, I saw 7. I don't know about rough surfaces, such as clothes and face masks.

Guess I need some UV wands . . .

[mbasic]

George Orwell would be impressed





I wonder how well that works though, with the buzzing of the propellers .... You'd have to have quite the amp and speaker on there.

[iamsmu]

[omaniphil]

I think the methods that they seem to be calculating the fatality rate seems to be completely arbitrary. They're basically calculating the fatality rate by using [current death toll]/[current total infected] which seems silly when you think about the ~5 day latency period, and that the deaths come in the pneumonia stage which is 5-6 days after initial infection.

I feel like the fatality rate would be better calculated as being [current death toll]/[total number of infected 10 days ago] which would yield a much higher number. Using todays's numbers that would be 492 dead/2015 infected on Jan 25. Looking at a death toll closer to 24%.

Of course this would be mitigated by the number of non-identified infections as of the Jan 25 date, but I feel like this number is probably a lot closer to the actual fatality rate. Time to start prepping.

[mbasic]

All the numbers are made up.

From what I've heard (Chinese doctors that have leaked info).

The hospitals in Wuhan get only about 100 test kits every so often ( a week?)
So they can't even confirm/positive diagnose patients fast enough.
Even if the coronavirus test is administered, it takes about 2-3 days to yield any results.
So even with that data^, there's a lag time from what you see in the news.

People (Wuhan residents) who are sick are having to visit 3 or 4 hospitals in a day or two to get admitted....
OR, they just give up completely and go back home and deal with it.

And to everyone using SARS as a comparison point to say this is or isn't going to be so bad this time...
....I guess there was a lot of covering-up when SARS was going on too.