That’s was no suicide...

[BostonRugger]

This is like the Frankie Pentangeli suicide in godfather 2.
Shut up, kill yourself, and we will take care of your family.

Same as I’m thinking above. Someone showed him some photos of truly innocent people he knew and a few choice words.

It makes sense. Win-win. He wanted to kill himself but the prison took that away from him. Others wanted him to kill himself. So they made arrangements - gave him a 15 minute window - some cord - a technique - in exchange for his secret diaries, thumb drives etc.

Yeah I think there are probably a few prison guards/staff who are gonna buy nice boats die suspicious deaths when the heat has died down.

FTFY

[Bcharles123]

Yeah I think there are probably a few prison guards/staff who are gonna buy nice boats when the heat has died down.

Don’t rule out doughnuts and blowjobs in the break room either.

[mightymarv]

I actually lol'd at this one

[aurelius]

It gets even stranger. He already was suspected of trying to commit suicide and was put on suicide watch. Only to be taken off. They then submit or whatever more damning stuff to the court and no one thought, maybe we should put this guy back on suicide watch?

Ugh. I generally don't believe in conspiracies. I have found human incompetance to better explain most situations. But this is the DoJ trialing a landmark, national spotlight case...

[Allentown]

Yeah I think there are probably a few prison guards/staff who are gonna buy nice boats when the heat has died down.

The two best days of a boat owners life are the day they got paid for looking the other way when a high profile prisoner under their watch killed themselves, and the day they sell the boat.

[LexAnderson]

So reading more on this, one of the "guards" watching him wasn't actually a hired guard, but an employee who was filling in for a guard on a mandatory overtime shift. The prison is so short staffed that they practice what is called "augmentation" where they take regular employees and train them as guards to be able to fill in some shifts.

Also, he was taken off suicide watch, placed in a special housing unit that requires a cellmate, and to be checked every 30 minutes. On Friday, his cellmate was moved for reasons not yet known, and neither one of the two guard's had performed their required 30 minute checks.

Now, I'm not one to shout out wild conspiracy theories, but this is really too much gross negligence to ignore here. This isn't a regular guy being arrested off the street either. This is a high profile individual who from what has been said, is very well connected and knew more individuals who were involved in these types of horrendous activities. More should have been done to watch this guy.

[mgil]

As pointed out elsewhere, if the system can keep El Chapo in good order, they can do the same for other ultra high priority prisoners.

[cwd]

I saw a post on a blog by a guy who runs a local jail. He thinks it's likely a real suicide, for three reasons:

1) it's not how you'd arrange a hit -- too obvious
2) jails/prisons really are that badly run
3) a quick suicide really was the best option remaining to Epstein, given his likely fate in prison

I hope all the facts come out.

[LexAnderson]

@mgil for sure, they could have kept him safer from "himself."

@cwd Yeah, I don't doubt it, but again this amount of gross negligence is almost too much to not throw some interesting conspiracies out there.

[JonA]

I hope all the facts come out.

I think that's the key bit. Last I saw, all the information was a result of some anonymous guy at the jail who wasn't speaking "officially". Maybe it was someone with insider knowledge, but it might also be someone looking for the limelight.

[ChrisMcCarthy1979]

I find it eminently plausible that this is a straight up suicide - it's pretty damned hard to stop someone who wants to die from, er...dying.

You have to REALLY want to keep that someone alive.

[LexAnderson]

You have to REALLY want to keep that someone alive.

Yeah, that's the issue, they REALLY didn't want to keep him alive through all of this. If they did then they would have kept him on suicide watch the whole time. Given the amount of fame this guy has garnered, it isn't too crazy to think they may have put an FBI agent of two over him. They have already spent several thousands of dollars in investigating him, so what's a few more to keep an eye on him?

[ChrisMcCarthy1979]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will come out that they could have done a lot more to keep him alive...I'm just arguing against the idea that there's some sort of Fool Proof method to prevent a suspect / patient etc from ending their own suffering.

[DirtyRed]

I find it eminently plausible that this is a straight up suicide - it's pretty damned hard to stop someone who wants to die from, er...dying.

You have to REALLY want to keep that someone alive.

I dunno why it can't be a bit of both. "Hay, let's arrange some 'free time' for the guy who has ALL SORTS of dirt on ALL SORTS of people and see what happens. Maybe the problem will solve itself." Then the problem genuinely does solve itself.

[omaniphil]

The plot thickens...
https://www.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein ... m=referral

[DirtyRed]

The plot thickens...
https://www.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein ... m=referral

These spergs would lose their minds if they "found out" that someone ripped a hard boiled egg fart "on the eve of the election."

[LexAnderson]

I'm just arguing against the idea that there's some sort of Fool Proof method to prevent a suspect / patient etc from ending their own suffering.

Short of strapping them to a hospital bed with a feeding tube, you're right.

It's just amusing to me to talk about these theories surrounding this kind of stuff. I don't really doubt that he off'ed himself, but I wouldn't be surprised if something was worked out along the lines of what @DirtyRed said about giving him some "alone time."

[Mattjd]

I'm telling you. I know "reddit", lul, right, but here me out. For years ive been reading about people calling out Weinstein in public, mostly comedians, making supposed "jokes, but completely dead pan, jokes about Weinstein, Cosby, etc. Been reading about Einstein. All this shit with Corey Feldmen. Man I can't help it. Its sound like a just conspiracy but I really reeeally think there is like some crazy pedophilia, sex thing going on with the social elite in America.

Like I keep reading about these people over the years and then its finally hitting a critical max and they go down. There's no fucking way its all just a coincident.

[aurelius]

Its sound like a just conspiracy but I really reeeally think there is like some crazy pedophilia, sex thing going on with the social elite in America.

I think it is simpler than you are making it. The very elite can afford to pay for high priced escorts. One of the first things many of them do when coming of age/gain wealth is surround themselves with paid for beautiful women. That eventually becomes 'normal'. They must seek another thrill for gratification. This is where men like Epstein come in to play. Supply and demand is a powerful motivator (see the drug wars).

And to be clear, I have not read Epstein supplied girls younger than 14. Which is important. Prepubescent is where historically pedophilia has been defined. For most of history and many places in the world today (30 states in the US the age of consent is 16), 14 and older is of social and legal age. I am not excusing or condoning this behavior. Especially considering Epstein forced and coerced these young women. Simply pointing out the psychology of sexual attraction to prepubescent children is a horse of a very different color. What Epstein supplied is far more normal from an anthropomorphic perspective than modern polite society would like to admit.

Take a guy like Trump. Also an acquaintance of Epstein. Trump promoted to Labor Secretary the guy that gave Epstein a once in a lifetime, sweetheart of a deal.


Trump is a known misogynist that pays for escorts. Has done so for decades. Probably his whole life. Would you find it surprising if Trump has knowingly paid for sex with young women under the age of 18?

I wouldn't.

*I was gonna go with Bill Clinton in the spirit of this thread but I could not find any photos of Bill Clinton and Epstein that weren't photoshops.

[JonA]

For those on the conspiratorial front, if he had dirt on the rich and powerful, why wait until after he was arrested, in jail, and (kinda) protected? Wouldn't it have been easier and more prudent to take care of things when he was on luxurious house arrest in the past or in a foreign country or something?