That’s was no suicide...

[Bcharles123]

Can’t be. Could it?

[Wilhelm]

The plot sickens.

[mgil]

Could be suicide by coercion.

The trail likely runs far and wide. If he had people in his life that were truly innocent bystanders (e.g. family members) that were being threatened, it might’ve been his only option?

It’s all fucked up no matter how you look at it.

[Mattjd]

I've been reading this guy and his little black book of names for like 6 years on Reddit. I'm convinced he had dirt on a lot of big people and don't believe this was a suicide at all.

[quark]

I've been reading this guy and his little black book of names for like 6 years on Reddit. I'm convinced he had dirt on a lot of big people and don't believe this was a suicide at all.

Yesterday I was reading Reddit threads saying there was no way he'd live to trial because too many powerful people were at risk and it would be labelled suicide.

How does someone on suicide watch commit suicide? They're supposed to remove anything he could use to injure himself.

[Bcharles123]

This is like the Frankie Pentangeli suicide in godfather 2.
Shut up, kill yourself, and we will take care of your family.

[omaniphil]

It was awfully convenient for an awful lot of awful people.

[BostonRugger]

Good thing there’s totally not a gigantic, global ring of sex trafficking and pedophilia dating back centuries that binds the world’s elite for the purposes of extortion and secret keeping.

Whew.

[aurelius]

It was awfully convenient for an awful lot of awful people.

That is my takeaway. I was looking forward to when (not if) he ratted on everyone to avoid prison.

[ChrisMcCarthy1979]

Good thing there’s totally not a gigantic, global ring of sex trafficking and pedophilia dating back centuries that binds the world’s elite for the purposes of extortion and secret keeping.

Whew.

Why would there be? Unfortunately that sort of thing is far too cheap and easy to get locally, no?

[Skander]

Good thing there’s totally not a gigantic, global ring of sex trafficking and pedophilia dating back centuries that binds the world’s elite for the purposes of extortion and secret keeping.

Whew.

Why would there be? Unfortunately that sort of thing is far too cheap and easy to get locally, no?

Also until fairly recently, pedophilia in our modern sense wasn't that taboo... Or probably sex trafficking.

[BostonRugger]

Good thing there’s totally not a gigantic, global ring of sex trafficking and pedophilia dating back centuries that binds the world’s elite for the purposes of extortion and secret keeping.

Whew.

Why would there be? Unfortunately that sort of thing is far too cheap and easy to get locally, no?

Also until fairly recently, pedophilia in our modern sense wasn't that taboo... Or probably sex trafficking.

So I’m not totally serious. But I’m not totally kidding either.

Epstein is perfect fodder for the Lincoln Financial, Pizzagate type conspiracies. But he’s real and has real connections to real powerful people.

[quark]

More fodder - he was recently taken off suicide watch, despite having been placed on it a little while before.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 975631001/

[iamsmu]

So I’m not totally serious. But I’m not totally kidding either.

Epstein is perfect fodder for the Lincoln Financial, Pizzagate type conspiracies. But he’s real and has real connections to real powerful people.

Ya. This article's thesis is pretty much "oh shit" this is too much like the wacko conspiracies to be good for the country. Some parts of the real story are crazier than Pizzagate. . . .

https://arcdigital.media/what-happens-w ... 33068354c1

I still can't get over the Temple on "Lolita Island." WTF.

https://www.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein ... ple-2019-7

[heidikay]

A former inmate of the MCC said it's impossible to kill yourself in the unit Epstein was in:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mc ... d-himself/

[mgil]

This is like the Frankie Pentangeli suicide in godfather 2.
Shut up, kill yourself, and we will take care of your family.

Same as I’m thinking above. Someone showed him some photos of truly innocent people he knew and a few choice words.

[omaniphil]

Popehat has a great Twitter rant where he urges us not to underestimate the ability of the guards to be totally incompetent.

[hector]

Popehat has a great Twitter rant where he urges us not to underestimate the ability of the guards to be totally incompetent.

Not sure I buy his argument.
I understand guards can be incompetent and indifferent cogs in a system with little accountability and the wrong incentives.

None of that means he wasn't murdered.

The existence of absolutely-plausible-theory-A does nothing to disprove absolutely-plausible-theory-B.

[Bcharles123]

This is like the Frankie Pentangeli suicide in godfather 2.
Shut up, kill yourself, and we will take care of your family.

Same as I’m thinking above. Someone showed him some photos of truly innocent people he knew and a few choice words.

It makes sense. Win-win. He wanted to kill himself but the prison took that away from him. Others wanted him to kill himself. So they made arrangements - gave him a 15 minute window - some cord - a technique - in exchange for his secret diaries, thumb drives etc.

[Skander]

This is like the Frankie Pentangeli suicide in godfather 2.
Shut up, kill yourself, and we will take care of your family.

Same as I’m thinking above. Someone showed him some photos of truly innocent people he knew and a few choice words.

It makes sense. Win-win. He wanted to kill himself but the prison took that away from him. Others wanted him to kill himself. So they made arrangements - gave him a 15 minute window - some cord - a technique - in exchange for his secret diaries, thumb drives etc.

Yeah I think there are probably a few prison guards/staff who are gonna buy nice boats when the heat has died down.