ChasingCurls69 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:00 am
mbasic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:05 am
ChasingCurls69 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:25 am
Unrelated to the main points, I think the NZ weightlifter also had a 20 year gap in competing as a man for the last time and as a woman for the first time.
I guess we are talking past eachother or something if you don't see the problem with this ^.
Probably. I was going to mention a caveat that the tran woman has been taking hormones to transition for X amount of time, and longer time periods are probably more preferable. IOC rules are something like 3 years? And IWF was allowed to set their own rules, but I have to look those up
If Laurel Hubbard showed up not taking any hormones, or much closer to when she transitioned, then it would be an issue for me.
Evidentially, the hormones aren't doing that much.
According to this ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... signment%2
... if I am reading this right I only have to have something 288 ng/dL ("10 nmol/L") of total test to compete as a women to satisfy the IOC.
I'm 50. I haven't had those test numbers (288+) since 43 .... as do a lot of men. Last year I was 200.
Not hard to do.
If you read up on the variability in different men's testosterone levels compared to their ability to build muscle mass, and/or be successful at sports. The range is all over the place. A guy could be 900 and be a dud. A guy could be 300 and be a stud. If either of those guys INCREASE their OWN individual test levels respectively with PEDs .... sure they both see a performance increase. I would speculate the 300-guy would "do more with less" additive testosterone because he has better receptor pathways, etc....other things making him anabolic, more male, etc.
So it seems all the IOC worry about, is the trans athlete staying under the "10 nmol/L" (228 ng/dL).
From a quick google search, it seems all they do in the way of "hormone therapy" (HT) is give the dude some estrogen to reduce his test levels ..... if he was say at 300-400 in his late thirties (not uncommon at all) ..... it would literally take some micro dosing of estrogen to get him under 288.
The range for Estrogen (E2) in men is something like 5 to 40. Most at 20? He might only have to bump up 5 points.
Or he might already be a 288 (judging from his phsique before all this) .... could just bullshit your way through that.
Being that he's a heavy weight, the bloating the minimal fat gain from extra E2 wouldn't really matter (I would argue that its not even happening in my scenario of "low-ish test to begin with").
Here's the funny part, he could probably just eat like total shit and intentionally gain more weight. His massive fat surplus, would just aromatize more test. into E2 .... and therefore tank his test below olympic threshold levels. BUUUUT, he has got to turn in a letter to the IOC from his hormone doctor saying he is done some kind of HT to aid in his transitioning. So the doctor only has to give an Rx for the very most minimalistic amount of E2 (or say other test. antagonists) to say he's doing something. Then you only get blood tests on certain days to prove transitioned status..... so easy to manipulate.
Funny too (extra) E2 can be an asset in many ways. E2 increases synovial fluid in joints. So good for a guy training olympic lifts all the time, especially in his late 30's.
Estrogen is only really a negative in terms of fat gain, and it can drive down your testosterone ....
Otherwise estrogen, contrary to popular belief, is anabolic on its own .... but, might be a little "bad" for tendon stiffness in females.
Crazy high estrogen in males (or females)??? .... yeah you don't want that for other reasons (tits, fat gain, etc).
A little "extra" estrogen in male, probably aint going to matter at all in this context.
TL;DR: fuck that guy