I think the chest measurement is probably a bigger factor than the waist measurement. I know Hugo Girard for example looked pretty jacked towards the end of his career, with a waist significantly larger than 34". But he had a chest well north of 70" (I think he told me it was 72 or 74", he found out when he had to get a suit made for his wedding) At 6'0 with a waist of probably around 44" atm I do not consider myself jacked, but with a chest just over 50" I am at least not DYEL and could pass for jacked on my bench/shoulder day when I am all pumped up. In spite of the stomach. If I can get down to a 38" waist on the current slow cut (Which is not unrealistic) I will absolutely look jacked in a group of normal sized people. I am aiming for a Pisarenko look, more or less, which I am not far off of right now.CheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:06 amI might be biased (being a european pajama boi with all the aggressivity bred out of him who does not even lift) but if you are 5'9 with a 34 inches waistline and you weight 196 lbs you are not skinny fat, you are muscular, and look like you lift. But then when you look at the before afters most of them look like a michelin man.mbasic wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:56 amCheekiBreekiFitness wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:37 am @mbasic The data looks completely weird on this article.
Look at "Table 3: Male and Female Waist and Hip Measurements:" for instance So the people did a turbo bulk gaining 1 pound per week (gotta have that gallon of milk you know) but they gained less than half an inch on their waistline ? How is this possible ? I mean I am pretty sure that even if you are Ronnie Coleman this is not possible .
Also, the average male at the end of the program reports a 34 inches waistline and a weight 196 lbs. Assuming that those people are 5'9'' (the average height in the US), they should be around 16% bodyfat and have an FFMI >= 24. This is completely unbelievable. If you have an FFMI of >= 24 you look absolutely jacked.
Say my estimation was way off, and they were 20% body fat instead, that's still an FFMI >= 23, and once again completely unbelievable.
The men didn't change waist and hip measurements from start to finish too much .... and only gained 10 pounds.
33.5"+/- at the waist isn't terrible for an average american.
So in my mind they were sorta skinny-fat (even though not "skinny"), and then they got slightly less skinny-fat after DTP.
.... of the average 10 pounds gained:
+ 2 of it was probably bone mass/mineral density;
+ 2-3 probably glycogen storage/water (from eating more and training)
+ 2-3 probably fat mass
....how much does stainless weigh again? V=4/3πr^3
How jacked are you guys ? I know there are some monsters on the forum but still.
My point being, a 34" waist is meaningless without context. If it's also a 34" chest, not a great look at any height. If it's a 46" or greater chest it's going to look impressive, and if there are shoulders sticking out past that even better. I have acquired the shoulder projecting out to the sides past the chest look and it helps a lot versus the compact look of shoulders not sticking out.