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Post by hsilman » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:35 am

Roasting your own beans takes about 10 minutes(including setup and time with the beans in the freezer to cool down) with a whirly pop. Less actual time spent if you get a "real" home roaster, cause you just throw in a pound and hit a button. Not sure what super involved thing you guys are getting in to that takes actual time.

Late to the party, but I would 100% get a separate grinder and espresso machine. Breville is a good brand though.

I also roast my own beans because $6/# is way better than $13/8oz that the coffee shops sell. Also tastes better and I can try different flavor profiles.

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Post by CeeKa » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:18 am

Hanley wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:42 am No. You need the water between 195-205 F....or the coffee will suck regardless of bean quality.
When should the water have the desired temperature? As soon as it hits the coffee?
I don't know much about coffee at all, but I'd bet that previously boiling water will always have between 90 °C and 95 °C when it hits the coffee - after some inches of falling through the air.

Sometimes I make myself a traditional Turkish coffee, prepared in one of those small pots (cezve). Some sources say one should bring the coffee to boil, others say it's a no-go. I haven't blind tasted both versions at the same time though, yet.

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Post by Root » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:18 am

CeeKa wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:18 am Sometimes I make myself a traditional Turkish coffee, prepared in one of those small pots (cezve). Some sources say one should bring the coffee to boil, others say it's a no-go. I haven't blind tasted both versions at the same time though, yet.
Probably depends what part of Turkey you're in.

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Post by rjharris » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:12 am

CeeKa wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:18 am but I'd bet that previously boiling water will always have between 90 °C and 95 °C when it hits the coffee - after some inches of falling through the air.
I would not take that bet; water at 100 C will not cool down by 10 degrees C when it falls a couple inches from a kettle, right?

When I make coffee using either the chemex or the french press, I heat the water up to usually about 202 F and pour. When I'm using the press, that's it. When I'm using the chemex, it requires multiple pours, so I put the kettle back and keep it at 202 F until I'm done pouring.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but so far so good.

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Post by Root » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:53 pm

CeeKa wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:18 am When should the water have the desired temperature? As soon as it hits the coffee?
I don't know much about coffee at all, but I'd bet that previously boiling water will always have between 90 °C and 95 °C when it hits the coffee - after some inches of falling through the air.
What's your altitude?

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Post by CeeKa » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:23 am

I did a quick experiment this morning and boiled some water in a pot. My meat thermometer measured a maximum of 99 °C (doesn't show decimals in that range). Boiling point of water is at about 99.1 °C at my altitude of roughly 280 m.
After pouring the water from maybe two inches height to a mug, the temperature was measured at 89-90 °C fairly consistently.

There are some variables to this experiment, that could make a difference of maybe a few more degrees, but I think my point stays.

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Post by damufunman » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:03 am

CeeKa wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:23 am I did a quick experiment this morning and boiled some water in a pot. My meat thermometer measured a maximum of 99 °C (doesn't show decimals in that range). Boiling point of water is at about 99.1 °C at my altitude of roughly 280 m.
After pouring the water from maybe two inches height to a mug, the temperature was measured at 89-90 °C fairly consistently.

There are some variables to this experiment, that could make a difference of maybe a few more degrees, but I think my point stays.
Was the mug preheated at all? If not, then it's likely that lost energy went to heating the mug and cooling the water, thusly.

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Post by Allentown » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:27 am

damufunman wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:03 am Was the mug preheated at all? If not, then it's likely that lost energy went to heating the mug and cooling the water, thusly.
+1
I half-heartedly warm my chemex before I start, but I also start pouring shortly after the boil. If our electric kettle didn't still work just fine I'd get my wife a long neck with a temp setting. That would be cool.

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Post by Hanley » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:21 am

CeeKa wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:23 am I did a quick experiment this morning and boiled some water in a pot. My meat thermometer measured a maximum of 99 °C (doesn't show decimals in that range). Boiling point of water is at about 99.1 °C at my altitude of roughly 280 m.
After pouring the water from maybe two inches height to a mug, the temperature was measured at 89-90 °C fairly consistently.

There are some variables to this experiment, that could make a difference of maybe a few more degrees, but I think my point stays.
Altitude is a confounder for me. Boiling is 95C where I live.

But, I started with water at 94.4 and the actual steeping sludge was 92 in the first few seconds.

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Post by CeeKa » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:28 am

Yeah, so I used a different mug today (not preheated, ceramics instead of glass) and measured the temperature in the mug at 93 °C. With a preheated mug the temperature was slightly higher (95 °C). I didn't try to reproduce the results and I'm sure there is some notable standard deviation to this.

Don't get me wrong - my intention isn't to debunk some coffee myths but rather to understand where certain procedure recommendations come from. Maybe water temperature makes a bigger difference in some brewing methods than others.

On a side note, I couldn't taste a difference the last time I blind taste tested pre-ground and freshly ground beans of the same brand/type. Many coffee connoisseurs would lynch me for this.

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Post by damufunman » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:49 am

@CeeKa I'm kinda in the same boat (maybe). Putting forth minimum effort and expense to get a slightly better cup; going for low hanging fruit. Got a hand burr grinder and a Kalita Wave based on @Hanley's recommendation further up and weigh out beans/water. Aside from that don't really do anything with temp control, water hardness, timing, etc. I think I let the water get too hot today and coffee was a little more bitter than normal, which I could probably only tell now that I've been doing something kinda consistent for few weeks. Also, now reusable K-cup with preground at work is meh. Still better than the shit they have available though...

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Post by Hanley » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:53 am

damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:49 amKalita Wave
How do you like it?

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Post by damufunman » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:06 am

Hanley wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:53 am
damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:49 amKalita Wave
How do you like it?
In what sense? It makes coffee, was previously using a French press (with too fine a grind) and Aeropress. As far as I can tell not much difference, but then again I'm not a real big snob connoisseur. I think getting whole beans and burr grinder was likely the biggest change, but see previous caveat. Overall slightly better than what I was doing before based on how coffee at work has changed.

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Post by Hanley » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:12 am

damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:06 amnot much difference
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Post by damufunman » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:53 am

Hanley wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:12 am
damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:06 amnot much difference
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Post by Manveer » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:37 am

Hanley wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:12 am
damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:06 amnot much difference
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Sayeth the pourover-coffee-drinking peasant

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damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:53 am
Hanley wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:12 am
damufunman wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:06 amnot much difference
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suck it, damuf
Manveer wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:37 am Sayeth the pourover-coffee-drinking peasant
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Post by BenM » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:09 pm

I am kinda in the 'least effort' camp these days too and think it really is all about the beans, the rest is just minor enhancement.

I've been through an Aeropress and hand grinder (which I still have), pod machines, I've got a Bruer cold brew system, but ages ago I bought a secondhand fully automatic machine and that's all I use nowadays. I've tried a fair few different beans from different roasters in it but I've found a supplier I really like. They have a few blends that are really nice (my current favourite has some robusta in it as well so I assume it's higher caffeine content, great for early AM preworkout) and also do a decaf which doesn't taste like weak muddy water so that also helps.

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Post by Stenson » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:49 am

I've settled on using the Bonavita auto dripper w/ store bought beans for our everyday coffee, and Chemex/Kalita pour over w/ beans from the local roaster on weekends or as a pre workout.

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Post by hsilman » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:11 am

Have a SR800 coming for us. Mostly because I want to do larger batches with a similar footprint as the popcorn popper. I'm not too snobby when it comes to results, but it might be nice to have a consistent method as well.

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