Uneven bar rise - deadlift

[Wilhelm]

Thank you, Tim. : )

Whatever is going on with me seems different. I've never noticed anything like that.
I may just have to live with it.
I thought about wearing a Romy on my right foot, but that seems like a good way to injure myself.

[mbasic]

Boy IF your leg segments ARE the same length, and it's just one leg in stronger than the other. ....I wonder what's next.

And the other place, it was taboo to talk about prescribing unilateral work/dumbbell stuff to fix various imbalances....
It was more, "the body will fix itself, deload" or "just don't do it".

but I didn't see many "I'm balance" threads end well (or a report back "hey, it just went away").

Couldn't people have insertions in different spots (1" here or there) from limb to limb.

Sorry if I just noceboed you

[Wilhelm]

Boy IF your leg segments ARE the same length, and it's just one leg in stronger than the other. ....I wonder what's next.

And the other place, it was taboo to talk about prescribing unilateral work/dumbbell stuff to fix various imbalances....
It was more, "the body will fix itself, deload" or "just don't do it".

but I didn't see many "I'm balance" threads end well (or a report back "hey, it just went away").

Couldn't people have insertions in different spots (1" here or there) from limb to limb.

Sorry if I just noceboed you

Not at all, @mbasic. It's a flippin' mystery, and i was thinking something along those same lines.
Something must be different somewhere.

Edit to add- walking around barefoot just now, and i actually think i can notice a slight rise as i step with my left foot/leg.
Pretty sure i am actually feeling it. More weight sensation on the left step.
So a minor leg length thing perhaps...
I am going to try one of my lighter Romy insoles in the Nano for my right foot next time.
I have no insoles in at this time. I could double up and use the original right insole as well.

That would explain what i'm pretty sure i'm seeing as my left leg straightening more rapidly.

[mbasic]

I'm surprised "it" doesn't do it on squats. (or where you'd notice by now)

[Wilhelm]

I'm surprised "it" doesn't do it on squats. (or where you'd notice by now)

Was thinking about this.
i've only ever recorded squats from the side.

I'll look at the vid from my meet squat. I'll see it if it's there.

* In the vid of my meet squat, which is the only video i have from the front, I can see a similar, but not as pronounced, movement pattern as the DL.

I don't think it's as big of a deal for squats.
I'm not going to try the insole thing with my squat shoes.
I've seen way more wonky bar angles from high level lefters on squats.

The DL really causes me to lean though, so i'm at least going to try and remedy that.

[Wilhelm]

Lean to the right just gets worse as the weight goes up. Pulled 425 today (PR - yay me!)
First vid shows the lean and delay in rise even though it's a side shot. Worse than ever.

RX was for the third single at 405, but i couldn't live with the ugliness that was 425, so i went again. Light bulb came on in my head, and i decided to go one finger wide on the right side. (second vid.) The lean is still there, but it corrects much sooner. Before knee height, i think.

I tried various insoles and a leather heel lift i made, to zero effect.
This is the only thing that has had any effect.
I'll just train the whole next cycle this way and get used to it.

[ChrisMcCarthy1979]

Well done hitting 425! Pleased you have found a fix... it'll be interesting to see whether you will need to make further adjustments as you progress.

[Mugaaz]

Any possibility this is just bar sitting lower or slipping a bit in one hand? Can easily prove/disprove this by taking a video using straps.

[Wilhelm]

Any possibility this is just bar sitting lower or slipping a bit in one hand? Can easily prove/disprove this by taking a video using straps.

It's hook grip, so i don't think there is much room for that. Plus it's on my right side, and i'm right handed.
I actually think the mystery lies in how my left leg appears to straighten faster than my right.

I switched back to this side view just out of shame, lol.
But i'm going back to using my front angle now that i seem to have a way to at least reduce the lag.
I'll need that feedback during the next cycle as i try and dial this all in.

[ChrisMcCarthy1979]

I noticed in another thread you said your left shoulder "pops" sometimes - I wonder if this is something to do with it as well?

I was also thinking about your left leg straightening early - I wonder if this is a cause or whether it is an effect (ie. you've gradually learned to straighten that leg early to account for an imbalance developing elsewhere?)

Bodies, Man - they're complicated!

[Wilhelm]

This remains an issue, and seems more like i have to take steps to remedy it as my weights progress.
Today it was very rough doing my RX.
I had other issues, i think. Just one of those days, but the lean and uneven bar rise just made everything worse.
Took 8 attempts to get my 6 singles.

I don't think i can stand on something in meets (asking the state prez about that)
But next week i'm taking the drastic measure of wearing a heel on my right foot.
It's not like i have an ideal situation that i will be fucking up by doing that.

I'll post back next Thursday with results.

[BassPlayer]

My DL does this when I miss load one side by 5lbs or more. Maybe the weight tolerances are off enough to make one side heavier.

[Wilhelm]

My DL does this when I miss load one side by 5lbs or more. Maybe the weight tolerances are off enough to make one side heavier.

I wish. I've actually weighed and balanced all my plates.
I'm just... broken.

I see it slightly in squats, but it's not an issue at all there.
I'm thinking it's something in the hips, pretty sure i don't have a short leg, but all i need is a remedy at this point.
I just got into position with one flat and one heel.
That much felt fine, and it's hard to imagine it feeling much worse that it already did today.

[iamsmu]

My DL does this when I miss load one side by 5lbs or more. Maybe the weight tolerances are off enough to make one side heavier.

I wish. I've actually weighed and balanced all my plates.
I'm just... broken.

I see it slightly in squats, but it's not an issue at all there.
I'm thinking it's something in the hips, pretty sure i don't have a short leg, but all i need is a remedy at this point.
I just got into position with one flat and one heel.
That much felt fine, and it's hard to imagine it feeling much worse that it already did today.

I don't have a solution, but I watched the video and I agree that it looks like you are straightening your left leg first. I think you are also twisting your hips in the process. I guess you'd have to. It's making you corkscrew. . . .

Here's a still from your second video.



Your left side looks stronger. (I have some irritation in my left leg and my right is taking over. My hips want to go all funky when I squat. I get a sharp snapping pain on heavy deadlifts in my left. But you said that there isn't anything like that. . . .)

Shot in the dark diagnostic question: Can you do a back scale with both legs?

[mbasic]

it could be anything.

maybe he has muscle insertions 1/2" to an 1" different on on side than the other.

one leg might just be stronger than the other

[Wilhelm]

it could be anything.

maybe he has muscle insertions 1/2" to an 1" different on on side than the other.

one leg might just be stronger than the other

I'm leaning (Leaning, GET IT? lol ) to this kind of explanation.
Not the stronger left leg part though. I cycled hard for decades, and i think i'd know if this were an issue.
Hill climbing is a pretty balanced exertion.

But just some weird structure thing that the heavy weights expose.
My experiment with a wider grip on one side showed some impact, but i'm not thrilled about using that more than the one finger wider i've tried.

Anyway, just posting again since today was a day after which i just can't ignore this.
I have good hope the Romy on my right foot will help.

At least i'll have a gimick at meet then too

Thanks everyone for taking a look at my unlovely deadlift

@iamsmu Ii can do both of those front and back w/ both legs.

[cgeorg]

Do you notice uneven pain/soreness left to right afterwards?

[Wilhelm]

Do you notice uneven pain/soreness left to right afterwards?

Not at all. This is another reason i think it's structural.

[cgeorg]

And probably nothing to really worry about

[Wilhelm]

And probably nothing to really worry about

On a bad day like yesterday, it looks like it can add to the difficulty and become a performance issue.
I'm pulling the bar past my knees one at a time.

I'm thinking i'll try barefoot/deadlift slipper left, and a Nano on the right.
That should look a lot less ridiculous than one Nano and one Romy, and also keep me closr to the floor.

i really hope that works, or at least mitigates it some.
I'll see how it feels through warmups next week.