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Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:14 pm
by Hanley
damufunman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:46 amThink this is more of a practice at 95+% thing? All the research (as far as I can tell from the little bit I've seen and extrapolating to all
) I've seen seems to say that it's linear from 50% to 100% (on average, may be important...).
I do think it's a practice thing. Lots of doubles at 85%, singles at 90-95%+, etc. It's gets very tricky to manage fatigue with lots of practice at these intensities, though.
Be very skeptical of the nice neat research data. I think there's some serious fudging going on.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:17 pm
by Murelli
Hanley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:14 pm
doubles at 85%
GTFOH with that nonsense. Single @8 + singles @85% are the
Gold Standard™ for Power day. Disagree? Fite me 1v1 irl or change my mind.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:28 pm
by Hanley
Murelli wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:17 pm
Hanley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:14 pm
doubles at 85%
GTFOH with that nonsense. Single @8 + singles @85% are the
Gold Standard™ for Power day. Disagree? Fite me 1v1 irl or change my mind.
Yeah? Working awesome for you?
Edit: I'm not talking about optimizing a single Power Day. I'm talking about peaking. I don't think most people can do that with a single session's worth of heavy-ass practice.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:04 am
by Murelli
Hanley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:28 pm
Murelli wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:17 pm
Hanley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:14 pm
doubles at 85%
GTFOH with that nonsense. Single @8 + singles @85% are the
Gold Standard™ for Power day. Disagree? Fite me 1v1 irl or change my mind.
Yeah? Working awesome for you?
Edit: I'm not talking about optimizing a single Power Day. I'm talking about peaking. I don't think most people can do that with a single session's worth of heavy-ass practice.
Sorry for the semi-serious shitposting bro, but doubles @85% would leave me really drained and you already mentioned it would be hella tricky to manage the fatigue generated from all that #weightonthebarmatters.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:23 am
by damufunman
Murelli wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:04 am
Hanley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:28 pm
Murelli wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:17 pm
Hanley wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:14 pm
doubles at 85%
GTFOH with that nonsense. Single @8 + singles @85% are the
Gold Standard™ for Power day. Disagree? Fite me 1v1 irl or change my mind.
Yeah? Working awesome for you?
Edit: I'm not talking about optimizing a single Power Day. I'm talking about peaking. I don't think most people can do that with a single session's worth of heavy-ass practice.
Sorry for the semi-serious shitposting bro, but doubles @85% would leave me really drained and you already mentioned it would be hella tricky to manage the fatigue generated from all that #weightonthebarmatters.
I've been doing triples and (now followed by doubles) after top single @8 for the past 6+ weeks for my strength day. Everything's been going well except for bench, which might be seeing too much volume.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:12 am
by LexAnderson
I've been handling all of the heavy triples and doubles well, but what really fried me was the Sheiko staggered set day the other week. That almost buried me.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:05 am
by Hanley
LexAnderson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:12 am
I've been handling all of the heavy triples and doubles well, but what really fried me was the Sheiko staggered set day the other week. That almost buried me.
The most polarizing of sessions.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:54 am
by SpinyNorman
Hanley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:05 am
LexAnderson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:12 am
I've been handling all of the heavy triples and doubles well, but what really fried me was the Sheiko staggered set day the other week. That almost buried me.
The most polarizing of sessions.
I handled the staggered set day just fine.
My legs get sore from strength day squats, but with two days off after that I usually blast through hypertrophy day without a problem.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:56 am
by Les
LexAnderson wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:12 am
I've been handling all of the heavy triples and doubles well, but what really fried me was the Sheiko staggered set day the other week. That almost buried me.
I had the same sort of experience with bench. I'm sure it would be harder for me to recover from anything squat/DL related. But I did 4 sets of triples and 2 sets of doubles for bench at 82% and it felt fast. The staggered sets have be drained by the end. But I imagine it is good to do things on both ends of the spectrum to maximize gains.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:27 am
by MattimusMaximus
Yes, the staggered sets that I tried for presses fried me as well. Not sure I'll be doing them again but I liked the idea of them.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:27 pm
by brettj
After 4 weeks of my made-up copycat of the MM I hit:
-20lb squat PR (475)
-5lb bench PR (275)
-12lb deadlift PR (475)
This is coming back to training after spending 5 months running a cardio/endurance block and losing 10lbs. I was doing a bench program for a month before this though. Also my "peaking" involved getting the flu, missing a couple of training sessions and deciding to max out on a whim.
Squat PR is a bit misleading because I probably should have hit a 10lb PR at least at my meet last November, but I was dumb about attempt selection.
Anyways I'm a fan of this set-up. Solid results considering circumstances and that I'm just a copycat.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
by MattNeilsen
brettj wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:27 pm
After 4 weeks of my made-up copycat of the MM I hit:
-20lb squat PR (475)
-5lb bench PR (275)
-12lb deadlift PR (475)
This is coming back to training after spending 5 months running a cardio/endurance block and losing 10lbs. I was doing a bench program for a month before this though. Also my "peaking" involved getting the flu, missing a couple of training sessions and deciding to max out on a whim.
Squat PR is a bit misleading because I probably should have hit a 10lb PR at least at my meet last November, but I was dumb about attempt selection.
Anyways I'm a fan of this set-up. Solid results considering circumstances and that I'm just a copycat.
I forgot to say congrats on the PRs. It's actually neat (not for you) to see you got the flu and still did well - demonstrates the adaptability of the program/SORAT.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:17 pm
by brettj
MattNeilsen wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
brettj wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:27 pm
After 4 weeks of my made-up copycat of the MM I hit:
-20lb squat PR (475)
-5lb bench PR (275)
-12lb deadlift PR (475)
This is coming back to training after spending 5 months running a cardio/endurance block and losing 10lbs. I was doing a bench program for a month before this though. Also my "peaking" involved getting the flu, missing a couple of training sessions and deciding to max out on a whim.
Squat PR is a bit misleading because I probably should have hit a 10lb PR at least at my meet last November, but I was dumb about attempt selection.
Anyways I'm a fan of this set-up. Solid results considering circumstances and that I'm just a copycat.
I forgot to say congrats on the PRs. It's actually neat (not for you) to see you got the flu and still did well - demonstrates the adaptability of the program/SORAT.
Appreciated!
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 am
by Mugaaz
What are you guys doing when the program calls for the "accessory, lifter's choice" ?
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:10 am
by JonA
Mugaaz wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 am
What are you guys doing when the program calls for the "accessory, lifter's choice" ?
I usually throw in some variation of ab work, like hanging leg raises. Depends on the week, though. I'll check what I have scheduled in DUP blocks, or supplemental pulling (RDLS, SGDLs) and then try to fill in with something that's not being hit.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:43 pm
by Hanley
Just a quick note: I'll be going on a programming bender tomorrow, so if you've wrapped up a cycle this week, you'll see the next posted tomorrow.
Send me a note on Fitbot if you plan on competing in the Exodus meet. I can work a peak into the cycle if you'd like
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:14 pm
by BenM
Mugaaz wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 8:42 am
What are you guys doing when the program calls for the "accessory, lifter's choice" ?
Mostly ab work here too. Cable crunches or decline sit-ups. Occasionally I’ll change it up though.
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:10 am
by Hanley
Alright, y'all.
I'm closing down for new peeps. I've got to implement lessons learned from the last ~ 3 months, refine the process for customization of "stress-dose", overhaul workflow, build a website, get some content out, etc.
Thanks!
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:22 am
by LexAnderson
Don't forget an Instagram page too!
Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:07 am
by Allentown
Hanley wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:10 am
Alright, y'all.
I'm closing down for new peeps. I've got to implement lessons learned from the last ~ 3 months, refine the process for customization of "stress-dose", overhaul workflow, build a website, get some content out, etc.
Thanks!
Awesome!