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Re: The Montana Method, or That thing Hanley's doing with those people.

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Post by Hanley » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:45 pm

AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:41 pmWell, maybe I can progress for a while just doing 85% AMRAP for S/B/D on test week? I'll try to get my insurance situation sorted out next week.
If you decide you want to keep with the Montana Method for another month or two, I think I'd bias all sessions toward hypertrophy.

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Post by AaronM » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pm

Hanley wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:45 pm
AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:41 pmWell, maybe I can progress for a while just doing 85% AMRAP for S/B/D on test week? I'll try to get my insurance situation sorted out next week.
If you decide you want to keep with the Montana Method for another month or two, I think I'd bias all sessions toward hypertrophy.
Hmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?

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Post by tdood » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:03 am

I signed up for another 2 months. Just payed him.

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Post by Hanley » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 am

AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pmHmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Your body seems to really, really dislike working above 90% right now, so maybe go full Bro, and do a high volume of work in the 65%-75% range. The occasional single @8 should keep you from totally losing strength. You can turn the jackedness into peak strength later, once recovery/life shit works out.

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Post by AaronM » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:16 am

Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 am
AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pmHmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Your body seems to really, really dislike working above 90% right now, so maybe go full Bro, and do a high volume of work in the 65%-75% range. The occasional single @8 should keep you from totally losing strength. You can turn the jackedness into peak strength later, once recovery/life shit works out.
Does this mean I'm a special snowflake?

Sounds funny, but I wouldn't even know what a reasonable full Bro routine looks like. Maybe I should start a new thread for that...

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Post by Murelli » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:24 am

AaronM wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:16 am
Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 am
AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pmHmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Your body seems to really, really dislike working above 90% right now, so maybe go full Bro, and do a high volume of work in the 65%-75% range. The occasional single @8 should keep you from totally losing strength. You can turn the jackedness into peak strength later, once recovery/life shit works out.
Does this mean I'm a special snowflake?

Sounds funny, but I wouldn't even know what a reasonable full Bro routine looks like. Maybe I should start a new thread for that...
Maybe you are a bad responder to high intensity. Mike T says something about it on one of his videos.

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Post by AaronM » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:48 am

Murelli wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:24 am
AaronM wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:16 am
Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 am
AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pmHmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Your body seems to really, really dislike working above 90% right now, so maybe go full Bro, and do a high volume of work in the 65%-75% range. The occasional single @8 should keep you from totally losing strength. You can turn the jackedness into peak strength later, once recovery/life shit works out.
Does this mean I'm a special snowflake?

Sounds funny, but I wouldn't even know what a reasonable full Bro routine looks like. Maybe I should start a new thread for that...
Maybe you are a bad responder to high intensity. Mike T says something about it on one of his videos.
Is there a "scientific" way to figure out if the primary issue is being a poor-responder or recovery? It seems like if my recovery was so bad it messes up heavy single attempts, it would reflect in my RPE at reps in the 80-85% range, but I seem to consistently perform really well in those ranges.

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Post by Murelli » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 am

AaronM wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:48 am
Murelli wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:24 am
AaronM wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:16 am
Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 am
AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pmHmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Your body seems to really, really dislike working above 90% right now, so maybe go full Bro, and do a high volume of work in the 65%-75% range. The occasional single @8 should keep you from totally losing strength. You can turn the jackedness into peak strength later, once recovery/life shit works out.
Does this mean I'm a special snowflake?

Sounds funny, but I wouldn't even know what a reasonable full Bro routine looks like. Maybe I should start a new thread for that...
Maybe you are a bad responder to high intensity. Mike T says something about it on one of his videos.
Is there a "scientific" way to figure out if the primary issue is being a poor-responder or recovery? It seems like if my recovery was so bad it messes up heavy single attempts, it would reflect in my RPE at reps in the 80-85% range, but I seem to consistently perform really well in those ranges.
Do two cycles. One going high intensity with more frequency, and one with less. Track your workouts and fatigue on RTS Training Log and track. Get a Block Review from both cycles and see your fatigue response to the more high intensity block and to the less high intensity. Profit.

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Post by damufunman » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 am

AaronM wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:48 am
Murelli wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:24 am
AaronM wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:16 am
Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 am
AaronM wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 pmHmmm, would a caloric surplus + 2 months of hypertrophy session = more muscle mass?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Your body seems to really, really dislike working above 90% right now, so maybe go full Bro, and do a high volume of work in the 65%-75% range. The occasional single @8 should keep you from totally losing strength. You can turn the jackedness into peak strength later, once recovery/life shit works out.
Does this mean I'm a special snowflake?

Sounds funny, but I wouldn't even know what a reasonable full Bro routine looks like. Maybe I should start a new thread for that...
Maybe you are a bad responder to high intensity. Mike T says something about it on one of his videos.
Is there a "scientific" way to figure out if the primary issue is being a poor-responder or recovery? It seems like if my recovery was so bad it messes up heavy single attempts, it would reflect in my RPE at reps in the 80-85% range, but I seem to consistently perform really well in those ranges.
Could bolded also indicate low NME, like a woomin?

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Post by Hanley » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:18 am

damufunman wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 am Could bolded also indicate low NME, like a woomin?
The two greatest discrepancies that I have seen between e1rm and tested 1rm (with the bigger load on the tested 1rm) were from two woman (one went on to win an IPF World's Gold and the other broke a national record...but still, women).

I don't buy the NME as an explanation for discrepancies between e1rms and tested 1rms.

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Post by mgil » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:11 pm

Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:18 amI don't buy the NME as an explanation for discrepancies between e1rms and tested 1rms.
Looking at various samples on the internets, I would agree. I think women might run out the novice phase sooner, but the reasoning that women can put in more reps near their [actual] 1RM seems to not be as true as some would claim it to be.

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Post by mbasic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:43 pm

mgil wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:11 pm
Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:18 amI don't buy the NME as an explanation for discrepancies between e1rms and tested 1rms.
Looking at various samples on the internets, I would agree. I think women might run out the novice phase sooner, but the reasoning that women can put in more reps near their [actual] 1RM seems to not be as true as some would claim it to be.
A counter argument to that:
The women (celebrated ones and/or ones most likely to post and/or the one who get noticed) on the internet probably/might display more "masculine characteristics".
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Post by mgil » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:55 pm

mbasic wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:43 pm
mgil wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:11 pm
Hanley wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:18 amI don't buy the NME as an explanation for discrepancies between e1rms and tested 1rms.
Looking at various samples on the internets, I would agree. I think women might run out the novice phase sooner, but the reasoning that women can put in more reps near their [actual] 1RM seems to not be as true as some would claim it to be.
A counter argument to that:
The women (celebrated ones and/or ones most likely to post and/or the one who get noticed) on the internet probably/might display more "masculine characteristics".
(
Even the non-Anavar women that seem to be serious about lifting don't fall into the "lower NME" generalization quite as neatly as proposed.

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Post by Hanley » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:51 pm

mgil wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:55 pm Even the non-Anavar women that seem to be serious about lifting don't fall into the "lower NME" generalization quite as neatly as proposed.
Yeah. I just have't seen it.

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Post by CamLeslie » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:39 am

Is it too late to get in on this train to Montana?

@Hanley I'd like to talk to you about being a Guinea Pig.

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Post by Hanley » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:10 am

CamLeslie wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:39 am Is it too late to get in on this train to Montana?

@Hanley I'd like to talk to you about being a Guinea Pig.
Well, the "free" 1-month experiment is over this week. But I'm offering a not-terribly-expensive option to Exodus peeps for getting a refined (and somewhat customized) version of the program that my beloved Guinea Pigs used.

Can you send me an email (john[at]barbellhacks[dot]com? The message system has been acting weird (I've had a message sitting in my outbox for 18 hours?).

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Message in your outbox vs sent means that the recipient hasn’t viewed it. Confusing, but now you know.

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Manveer wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:15 am Message in your outbox vs sent means that the recipient hasn’t viewed it. Confusing, but now you know.
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Hanley wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:15 am
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Post by AaronM » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:14 pm

Manveer wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:16 am
Hanley wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:15 am
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