Excessive Forward Lean on Squat TLDR I fold like a cheap suit, why?

[mgil]

@bobmen10000, I did some SSB squats last night. I used flats and as narrow as a stance I could muster. I'm likewise fat and was wearing a belt (which gets in the way at the bottom) and was able to hit depth without issue.

Like @Murelli notes, staying too wide limits knee travel. If you're having a brutal time figuring out stance, I found doing front squats really helps. Why? Well you cant see your feet, so you have to get the "feel" for stance down, they help with hip and ankle mobility, and they put you as vertical as possible. All of these transfer well to cleaner back squats and consistent form, in my own experience.

References here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6&start=300#p55473

[bobmen10000]

Your stance is still too wide, hence your knees are not going forward.

Bring knees in, feels weird to go closer than shoulder width - or at least I thought I was about shoulder width.

I have trouble getting good vids or pics - user problem - but am I at parallel or close in this still image:

[mgil]

You're a smidge about parallel in that frame. About 1 inch.

Besides your knees needing to get in place ASAP (knees out is still the best cue in the book), I honestly think your shorts are too long and could be messing with things.

[bobmen10000]

You're a smidge about parallel in that frame. About 1 inch.

Besides your knees needing to get in place ASAP (knees out is still the best cue in the book), I honestly think your shorts are too long and could be messing with things.

I have trouble with the knees it seems, I hoped the hip band would help, maybe it will as I use it more in warmups. I will get short shorts. I could just do all my lifts in tighty whities (my preferred undergarment) - it is how I spend most of my free time anyway, might as well include (home) gym time.

[Murelli]

Once more: think about sitting down and not back. Keep repeating over and over in your mind "sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out..."

[bobmen10000]

Once more: think about sitting down and not back. Keep repeating over and over in your mind "sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out..."

As movement pattern do you think it would be beneficial to do goblet squats as a warmup to focus on sit down, knees out.

[Murelli]

Once more: think about sitting down and not back. Keep repeating over and over in your mind "sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out..."

As movement pattern do you think it would be beneficial to do goblet squats as a warmup to focus on sit down, knees out.

No. Do barbell or SSB squats. Goblet squats are for shitty hotel gyms.

[mgil]

Once more: think about sitting down and not back. Keep repeating over and over in your mind "sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out..."

As movement pattern do you think it would be beneficial to do goblet squats as a warmup to focus on sit down, knees out.

It won't hurt to try them.

[bobmen10000]

Once more: think about sitting down and not back. Keep repeating over and over in your mind "sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out..."

As movement pattern do you think it would be beneficial to do goblet squats as a warmup to focus on sit down, knees out.

No. Do barbell or SSB squats. Goblet squats are for shitty hotel gyms.

Okay, how about the big-brother barbell variety of front squats with very light weights to warm up?

[Murelli]

Once more: think about sitting down and not back. Keep repeating over and over in your mind "sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out, sit down, knees out..."

As movement pattern do you think it would be beneficial to do goblet squats as a warmup to focus on sit down, knees out.

No. Do barbell or SSB squats. Goblet squats are for shitty hotel gyms.

Okay, how about the big-brother barbell variety of front squats with very light weights to warm up?

I agree with the following:

@bobmen10000, I did some SSB squats last night. I used flats and as narrow as a stance I could muster. I'm likewise fat and was wearing a belt (which gets in the way at the bottom) and was able to hit depth without issue.

Like @Murelli notes, staying too wide limits knee travel. If you're having a brutal time figuring out stance, I found doing front squats really helps. Why? Well you cant see your feet, so you have to get the "feel" for stance down, they help with hip and ankle mobility, and they put you as vertical as possible. All of these transfer well to cleaner back squats and consistent form, in my own experience.

References here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6&start=300#p55473

[fishwife]

I tried no shoes after finding that preferable when doing belt squats.

Still not sure about depth but they felt so much better

It feels better because it helps you revert back to the form you're trying to get away from, i.e., one in which you keep your shins mostly vertical and push your butt way back. Unless you're trying to squat with vertical shins, acute forward lean, and hips way back, use lifting shoes. They will help you get your knees forward more where they need to be.

[bobmen10000]

I tried no shoes after finding that preferable when doing belt squats.

Still not sure about depth but they felt so much better

It feels better because it helps you revert back to the form you're trying to get away from, i.e., one in which you keep your shins mostly vertical and push your butt way back. Unless you're trying to squat with vertical shins, acute forward lean, and hips way back, use lifting shoes. They will help you get your knees forward more where they need to be.

You could very well be correct on the safety bar squats but on the leverage belt squat machine, which required me to go really wide in part because I am searching for a comfortable groove, not wearing the shoes felt physically better and I could squat to a 12" box without (minor) groin pain.

[mbasic]

You're a smidge about parallel in that frame. About 1 inch.

I think he's ok there.
If I imagine where the hip joint and knee cap is . . .
(The picture it "tilted".)
As long as its no high, its fine.

Besides your knees needing to get in place ASAP (knees out is still the best cue in the book), I honestly think your shorts are too long and could be messing with things.

That's some real shit^.
I have a pair shorts where one side catches on my knee cap and stretches out, but the other side refuses to do the same.
Its a total mind fuck. I feel as if I'm going crooked, like I have instant LLD. (even though everything is fine).
I roll up the waistband to make the shorts shorter so it doesn't happen on the following sets.