Leg Press vs. Hip Belt Squat Machine

[mgil]

@Cody the old people have to be babysat. That’s how you make your money as a coach, by unloading and loading bars. Read between the lines.

@gtl that’s a good idea.

@michael I would tend to agree with Rip in that the full ROM needs to be worked. gtl’s simple solution allows this.

@OCG thanks for the info. When I was attempting to do hip belt squats without a machine, they felt weird and setting them up was goofy. I figured the machine fixed some of this. Maybe not.

This debate is from the idea that @SeanHerbison had about Hatfield squats allowing for a ton of muscle mass to be used. Wennig’s rig and his use is basically a Hatfield squat with a different loading point.

Thanks to all for hashing out a thought experiment.

[SeanHerbison]

Literally zero need for a machine of this caliber for old people. Further, it makes your earlier point about carrying 45 lb plates all over the place mute, cause old folks aren't loading up the plates if they aren't strong enough for the empty bar...

I see your point, but it's not always valid. I've used the leg press for some heavier older folks. They may have enough strength to load a few 25/45 lb plates, yet not be able to do their own bodyweight on a squat while having to keep balance.

[Cody]

Literally zero need for a machine of this caliber for old people. Further, it makes your earlier point about carrying 45 lb plates all over the place mute, cause old folks aren't loading up the plates if they aren't strong enough for the empty bar...

I see your point, but it's not always valid. I've used the leg press for some heavier older folks. They may have enough strength to load a few 25/45 lb plates, yet not be able to do their own bodyweight on a squat while having to keep balance.

I believe that "a couple 45s" isn't what Gilly was originally referring to. More like CWS needs 12-16 45s per side on leg press, nowhere near that on belt squat.

[mgil]

[mbasic]

[mbasic]

For those who are interested, this might work.

also @TimK ...looking at you. (one arm and all).
I'd imagine leg presses suck, I (feel that I) have to hold onto the handles pretty hard.
I don't know if I could heavy leg press with one arm.



Would suck to set up and do at a globogym.
But at home, I see it as doable.

[TimK]

also @TimK ...looking at you. (one arm and all).
I'd imagine leg presses suck, I (feel that I) have to hold onto the handles pretty hard.
I don't know if I could heavy leg press with one arm.

Yeah, I did sets of 10 yesterday and with just one arm I was sliding up the back pad a bit, asymmetrically. Probably would have been worse if I was going heavier.

I have a safety squat bar on the way now that should greatly improve my training ability.

[KoolaidMannn]

Also from Sarah, someone who no longer back squat says and I quote “I feel quads so much more on belt squat, my legs get sore as fuck from belt squat. I don’t feel anything from leg press” she’s done 405x10@9 on leg press and just did 205x6x2@8 on belt squat fwiw.

I would also argue that the belt squat would have more carry over to a back squat than a leg press would.

[Cody]

Also from Sarah, someone who no longer back squat says and I quote “I feel quads so much more on belt squat, my legs get sore as fuck from belt squat. I don’t feel anything from leg press” she’s done 405x10@9 on leg press and just did 205x6x2@8 on belt squat fwiw.

I would also argue that the belt squat would have more carry over to a back squat than a leg press would.

You got videos of her doing both? I suspect a ROM difference.

[mgil]

Mike T is awesome, but he can get into the sea with those hip belt contraptions of his.

Edge Fitness took away every gym’s excuse for not having one with a price point under $1500.

[KoolaidMannn]

@Cody check her Instagram bb, pretty recent videos, you may have to.. swipe left