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Re: Coronavirus

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Post by Hardartery » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:38 am

hector wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:30 am
dw wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:46 am The explanation I read, which didn't sound entirely satisfactory to me, was that:

1. China has a large and vulnerable elderly population, that
2. Has not vaccinated due to some kind of traditional suspicion of ...vaccines? Western medicine? All medicine?
3. And because of this tradition and the deference afforded to the elderly in Asian societies even the CCP doesn't think it can pull off mandatory vaccination. Especially since
4. Their vaccine isn't very good and they don't want to acknowledge that. Therefore...
5. Extreme lockdowns to prevent a bunch of elderly deaths and hospitalizations.
Not calling you out or doubting you. But what did you read thay gave you the impression of #4?
I don't know about him, but I've heard it in several reports, and can tell you that it didn't seem to do anybody any good in Central America.

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Post by hector » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:52 am

mbasic wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:18 am The stuff happening in China is telling .... about how fucked up china is.
If you haven't been keeping up, the gov't been still locking down whole cities (over a few scant infections), and has been full speed ahead with some of their dystopian mitigation policies (red card/green card mobility app thing). People are actively protesting the lockdowns and Rona-policies.

Feel free to post your own theories on what the hell they are doing over there.

Its funny, because it seemed early in the corona-era, a lot of the world's health and disease experts, and the Fauciologists here in the US, embraced what they were doing and/or praised their policies and example on how to handle the epidemic. Now? The chinese govt is clearly crazy fighting what now is a common cold to the point of torpedoing their own econ.

Possibilities:

I think Xi et al is just using the 'Rona as an excuse to sabotage their own economy for a spell to hide what might be an under lying unsustainable economic situation ..... maybe blame their economic contraction, or ungrowing-pains, on the 'Rona, instead of the upper echelon of the pollical structure taking the blame.....I guess so those people stay in power?

Or, maybe the lower level leadership is doing this intentionally to get Xi to fall into disfavor with the CCP/The People ??? (wording?)

Only other thing I can think of, is the gov't pushing the envelope how severely they can control and manipulate the population. They don't want a mass exodus, maybe a way to put further controls on the people? It seems the people in power would like china to become a mega-north-korea, but maybe have to settle and get to a 1984 state first ..... and they are trying out 1983 right now to test the waters and have people become accustomed to being subjugated like this?
I think there's definitely truth to the idea that authoritarian governments would want to push the envelope and see how much further they can go.

Another issue is perception. If the government eased up on restrictions and X people died then how much would citizens blame the government? And if government tightened restrictions but 2x people died, how much would citizens blame the government?

With that 2nd scenario it's possible for the government to look better, even if more people die, because they can say they spared no expense and took every measure.

I think it's possible the government cares more about the appearance of fighting Covid then they do the actual body count.

If the government does care more about the appearance of fighting Covid than they do the body count, and if they're poor at gauging their population's resentment toward lockdown policies, then it's feasible that they were clumsy in scaling back restrictions as they underestimated citizen's resentment toward restrictions.
If this is correct, you'd expect to see the government scale back restrictions now that they know the actual resentment levels, which I believe is what we're seeing.

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Re: Coronavirus

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Post by hector » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:15 am

Hardartery wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:38 am
hector wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:30 am
dw wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:46 am The explanation I read, which didn't sound entirely satisfactory to me, was that:

1. China has a large and vulnerable elderly population, that
2. Has not vaccinated due to some kind of traditional suspicion of ...vaccines? Western medicine? All medicine?
3. And because of this tradition and the deference afforded to the elderly in Asian societies even the CCP doesn't think it can pull off mandatory vaccination. Especially since
4. Their vaccine isn't very good and they don't want to acknowledge that. Therefore...
5. Extreme lockdowns to prevent a bunch of elderly deaths and hospitalizations.
Not calling you out or doubting you. But what did you read thay gave you the impression of #4?
I don't know about him, but I've heard it in several reports, and can tell you that it didn't seem to do anybody any good in Central America.
Thanks.
I just went down a rabbit hole and google a bunch. I had thought the Chinese vaccines were better than they are, and in the beginning maybe they were. Looks like their efficacy has gotten worse with each iteration of the virus.

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Post by dw » Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:16 pm

hector wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:30 am
dw wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:46 am The explanation I read, which didn't sound entirely satisfactory to me, was that:

1. China has a large and vulnerable elderly population, that
2. Has not vaccinated due to some kind of traditional suspicion of ...vaccines? Western medicine? All medicine?
3. And because of this tradition and the deference afforded to the elderly in Asian societies even the CCP doesn't think it can pull off mandatory vaccination. Especially since
4. Their vaccine isn't very good and they don't want to acknowledge that. Therefore...
5. Extreme lockdowns to prevent a bunch of elderly deaths and hospitalizations.
Not calling you out or doubting you. But what did you read thay gave you the impression of #4?

It was all one article I found on Google news. They didn't cite any source that I recall. I think it has to do with not being based on mRNA.

Do you doubt it's true?

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Post by hector » Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:35 pm

dw wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:16 pm
hector wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:30 am
dw wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:46 am The explanation I read, which didn't sound entirely satisfactory to me, was that:

1. China has a large and vulnerable elderly population, that
2. Has not vaccinated due to some kind of traditional suspicion of ...vaccines? Western medicine? All medicine?
3. And because of this tradition and the deference afforded to the elderly in Asian societies even the CCP doesn't think it can pull off mandatory vaccination. Especially since
4. Their vaccine isn't very good and they don't want to acknowledge that. Therefore...
5. Extreme lockdowns to prevent a bunch of elderly deaths and hospitalizations.
Not calling you out or doubting you. But what did you read thay gave you the impression of #4?

It was all one article I found on Google news. They didn't cite any source that I recall. I think it has to do with not being based on mRNA.

Do you doubt it's true?
Nope. I was just wondering and thought it interesting.

I googled and from what I read it looks like sinovac has performed increasingly poorly with subsequent iterations of the virus.

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Post by mouse » Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:13 pm

hector wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:52 am I think it's possible the government cares more about the appearance of fighting Covid then they do the actual body count.
You THINK that?

Some of us have known that for 2 years hahaha

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Post by Hardartery » Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:35 am

Wife just tested positive for Covid. I am symptom free so far. Which pisses her off a little because she is paranoid careful and I very much am not. I figure we'll all get it, and the "Curve" is flattened at this point, so whatever as far as I am concerned. Literally everyone else I know has had it at this point with only a couple of exceptions.

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Post by mbasic » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:17 pm

Hardartery wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:35 am Wife just tested positive for Covid. I am symptom free so far. Which pisses her off a little because she is paranoid careful and I very much am not. I figure we'll all get it, and the "Curve" is flattened at this point, so whatever as far as I am concerned. Literally everyone else I know has had it at this point with only a couple of exceptions.
Wife, son, and daughter all were positive with covid.
Wife and Daughter had cough/cold symptoms ....
Wife complained about the fatigue a bit; daughter is always complaining.
Boy had very minor symptoms, and actually trained thru some of it (before he tested positive, but had some minor symptoms).

I never got visibly sick; and then used the last test-kit in the two two-packs just to see .... nope, I was negative.

Afterwards, we recollected the timeline of events....
TMIShow
wife and I were "intimate" just prior to her first symptoms came on.
Its quite odd I never got sick.

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Post by Hardartery » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:27 pm

mbasic wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:17 pm
Hardartery wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:35 am Wife just tested positive for Covid. I am symptom free so far. Which pisses her off a little because she is paranoid careful and I very much am not. I figure we'll all get it, and the "Curve" is flattened at this point, so whatever as far as I am concerned. Literally everyone else I know has had it at this point with only a couple of exceptions.
Wife, son, and daughter all were positive with covid.
Wife and Daughter had cough/cold symptoms ....
Wife complained about the fatigue a bit; daughter is always complaining.
Boy had very minor symptoms, and actually trained thru some of it (before he tested positive, but had some minor symptoms).

I never got visibly sick; and then used the last test-kit in the two two-packs just to see .... nope, I was negative.

Afterwards, we recollected the timeline of events....
TMIShow
wife and I were "intimate" just prior to her first symptoms came on.
Its quite odd I never got sick.
She started to feel sick Saturday night. Some firends were all sick and one of them tested positive Saturday. We figured she had it, but I am happy to not have anything going on, even though I'm out and about way more than she is. I am annoyed though because I JUST started back at the gym and don't want to be not going. Damnit. I have to avoid the neighbours too, at least for a while. My life is complicated this week now.

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Post by EggMcMuffin » Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:33 pm

Got COVID after nearly three years of avoiding it succesfully, fuck this shit

Entire family is probably going to get sick (except my dad, who just had it)

Seems everyone is sick again :(

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Post by 5hout » Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:46 am

Everyone is sick (ok, just most people...), but even the most covid crazy people I know aren't testing unless their doc rec'ds it. Even people I know that still mask in public/when visiting are just riding out coughs/colds without tests. I don't know what to make of this.

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Post by Hardartery » Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:10 am

5hout wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:46 am Everyone is sick (ok, just most people...), but even the most covid crazy people I know aren't testing unless their doc rec'ds it. Even people I know that still mask in public/when visiting are just riding out coughs/colds without tests. I don't know what to make of this.
My wife is just recovering from it. We had home tests with us, so we used them because they expire soon anyway and that's what they're for. She tested positive, this week she is negative. I never got any symptoms and never got sick at all, and tested negative just for giggles. It hasn't really affected her much, she just hasn't been able to go running for a week and a half and probably still won't for a week more. After that it'll be slow progress I hope. No one here (Central America) is testing, but that's because there are no tests and the public health system offers the anti-body test from a blood draw only and not very often. Most people here have had it multiple times or died, period. Many of them got the Chinese vaccine, which did them zero good. They still got sick as hell for weeks with that one. The wife has the boosters and so do I (Need them for air travel so that decision was made for us), no big deal. But we had J&J and Moderna, not the Chinese or Russian crap.

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Post by DCR » Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:13 pm

5hout wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:46 am Everyone is sick (ok, just most people...), but even the most covid crazy people I know aren't testing unless their doc rec'ds it. Even people I know that still mask in public/when visiting are just riding out coughs/colds without tests. I don't know what to make of this.
Nearly everyone I know was or is sick af, and very few are testing. I guess folks have accepted the omicron is a shitty (if even) cold and are treating it accordingly: get sick, stay the fuck home, call it a day.

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Post by mouse » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:33 am

Is Walgreens one of the last Coronamania hold outs? I never go in there but I had to stop by for a fed ex drop off point and where candy bars would normally be... corona tests... behind the counters? A wall of corona tests...

The lady in front of me was buying a fistful of corona tests...

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Post by asdf » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:49 pm

mouse wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:33 am Is Walgreens one of the last Coronamania hold outs? I never go in there but I had to stop by for a fed ex drop off point and where candy bars would normally be... corona tests... behind the counters? A wall of corona tests...

The lady in front of me was buying a fistful of corona tests...
They're probably experiencing high demand...

"While you can no longer get free COVID-19 test kits from the federal government, if you have health insurance, you’re covered for eight free over-the-counter, at-home COVID-19 tests each month. So if you have health insurance through your employer, or if you have a plan through the Affordable Care Act’s marketplace, each person on your plan can get eight tests per month. If you’re on Medicare, you’re also covered for 8 free over-the-counter COVID-19 tests each month."

"There are two ways to get your tests for free: (1) use a pharmacy or store that your health plan designates “in network” where you’ll be charged $0..."

https://consumer.ftc.gov/consumer-alert ... d-19-tests

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Post by mouse » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:26 pm

asdf wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:49 pm They're probably experiencing high demand...
Disregarding the rest of your explanation to say I see that parking lot many times throughout my week and they are never experiencing high demand

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Post by asdf » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:04 pm

mouse wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:26 pm I see that parking lot many times throughout my week and they are never experiencing high demand
I just meant high demand for covid tests. I went to CVS to pick up a prescription earlier this week, and the two people ahead of me each picked up several boxes of covid tests. One of them actually said, "I'm here for my free covid tests." That's how I learned about the program. I'm sure it's a cash cow for pharmacies. A single family of four can get 32 free test kits per month. If a different family goes in each day, that Walgreen's will need nearly 1,000 kits per month.

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Post by Culican » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:37 am

I've got a bunch that I ordered each time they sent out free ones by mail because I figured, "Why not? They're free." I used one of them when I broke out in hives for the first time in my life and read that it could be a covid symptom. Tested negative. (Still think it could have been from an asymptomatic case of covid ... or in this case it was the only symptom.) The tests are just sitting around expiring.

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