Sean Noriega DQ Controversy

[mouse]

Admittedly I'm not a huge follower of powerlifting... and I'm just finding out about this guy... but it's worth a post...

https://www.openpowerlifting.org/u/seannoriega

Dude totaled 825kg at 82.5kg BW and the USAPL revoked his total... because he wasn't wearing a mask the right way.

I've read he did it on purpose and he's an asshole, but I'm calling bullshit on the league revoking his total AFTER the fact.

That's not 'just enforcing a rule', DQ'ing him on the spot or giving him reds would have been enforcing the rule.

That's what refs and meet directors are for.

[mgil]

Per the openpowerlifing IG account, USAPL is now saying the DQ is because he wasn’t a registered member of the federation.

ETA:

[Wilhelm]

How the hell do they let a non member check in?

[AllM1ght]

The third one is he had a banned lifter as a coach apparently.

It's a bit suspect that the reason isn't clear, but he is a bit of a.. by many accounts.

[mouse]

How the hell do they let a non member check in?

[5hout]

I was unaware of a rule that says assholes get DQ'd.

On one hand, if everyone else competed following a mask rule and he didn't, there is a competitive integrity argument to be made in favor of a DQ. On the other hand, given the delayed nature of the ban, the lack of consistent reasoning (3 reasons is a sign of a steaming pile of bullshit and cover-up) and my utter lack of shits to give... I don't know.

Did you take PEDs against the rules of a comp and get popped? Did you make the lifts? I'm not sure I care after that. Starting to have/enforce other rules that let them trawl social media after and then DQ you seems like an invitation for stupidity. Also, he made the lifts under* competition rules. From a "cool numbers" perspective that's mostly what I really care about.

*The aforementioned mask/comp. integrity issue is the fly in the ointment

[mouse]

On one hand, if everyone else competed following a mask rule and he didn't, there is a competitive integrity argument to be made in favor of a DQ.

Sure, but looking at the dude's IG he had one on... just not on 'right'.

This is no different to me than if the dude was wearing/using illegal equipment or something. You don't just let the dude go up to the platform, go through the motions, GIVE HIM WHITES, and THEN say aw hey... didn't count.

I also don't really care... but it certainly reinforces my lack of desire to compete in the USAPL haha...

[mgil]

Kid’s soccer leagues have better overall officiating and enforcement consistency than just about any powerlifting organization.

The current mixup of political discord and people with too much time on their hands leads to lots of silly bullshit.

[5hout]

On one hand, if everyone else competed following a mask rule and he didn't, there is a competitive integrity argument to be made in favor of a DQ.

Sure, but looking at the dude's IG he had one on... just not on 'right'.

This is no different to me than if the dude was wearing/using illegal equipment or something. You don't just let the dude go up to the platform, go through the motions, GIVE HIM WHITES, and THEN say aw hey... didn't count.

I also don't really care... but it certainly reinforces my lack of desire to compete in the USAPL haha...

You're right. If they gave that much of a crap about comp. integrity all the information was there at the time. This isn't some bizarre case of doctored equipment only detected after the fact or PEDs. They let him lift, then decided to be angry afterwards/after some blowback.

[mgil]

I SAW A NOSTRIL

[ChasingCurls69]

I think part of it is they may have given him the benefit of the doubt until he made IG comments about purposely flouting the rules, if the other two reasons end up not being the primary factors in the DQ.

[mouse]

I think part of it is they may have given him the benefit of the doubt until he made IG comments about purposely flouting the rules, if the other two reasons end up not being the primary factors in the DQ.

So even if that was the reason and his assholeish behavior somehow 'forced their hand'... doesn't it set kind of a weird precident?

If the mask moves mid-attempt and suddenly becomes "illegal" does the lift get DQ'd now? Or does it only have to be "purposeful"?

Where does ammonia fit in to all this

[ChasingCurls69]

I think part of it is they may have given him the benefit of the doubt until he made IG comments about purposely flouting the rules, if the other two reasons end up not being the primary factors in the DQ.

So even if that was the reason and his assholeish behavior somehow 'forced their hand'... doesn't it set kind of a weird precident?

If the mask moves mid-attempt and suddenly becomes "illegal" does the lift get DQ'd now? Or does it only have to be "purposeful"?

Where does ammonia fit in to all this

It came up in that IG thread, but it's up to the refs to point it out during the meet instead of waiting until after. If it comes off during the set up, don't give a start command and make them rack the bar and fix it on the clock, since the mask is supposed to be secure the entire time. Or give a warning on the first lift, and red light any lift after that where it happens again.

You can put a little ammonia capsule in your mask right before the lift, so it's easier to get a hit right when you take that big breath.

[mouse]

It came up in that IG thread, but it's up to the refs to point it out during the meet instead of waiting until after. If it comes off during the set up, don't give a start command and make them rack the bar and fix it on the clock, since the mask is supposed to be secure the entire time. Or give a warning on the first lift, and red light any lift after that where it happens again.

You can put a little ammonia capsule in your mask right before the lift, so it's easier to get a hit right when you take that big breath.

Good lord that would infuriate me... I can't imagine unracking a squat attempt and having some guy tell me to start over because he could see my nose haha...

I should learn how to sew and corner the market for masks with an ammonia cap pocket in them before someone else does...

Nobody steal that...

[AllM1ght]

It came up in that IG thread, but it's up to the refs to point it out during the meet instead of waiting until after. If it comes off during the set up, don't give a start command and make them rack the bar and fix it on the clock, since the mask is supposed to be secure the entire time. Or give a warning on the first lift, and red light any lift after that where it happens again.

You can put a little ammonia capsule in your mask right before the lift, so it's easier to get a hit right when you take that big breath.

Good lord that would infuriate me... I can't imagine unracking a squat attempt and having some guy tell me to start over because he could see my nose haha...

I should learn how to sew and corner the market for masks with an ammonia cap pocket in them before someone else does...

Nobody steal that...

N95 Napalm has a decent ring too it......

[houzi]

Sure, but looking at the dude's IG he had one on... just not on 'right'.

This is no different to me than if the dude was wearing/using illegal equipment or something. You don't just let the dude go up to the platform, go through the motions, GIVE HIM WHITES, and THEN say aw hey... didn't count.

I know that lifters have been given White Lights for a lift, and then later had them overturned/DQd. At IPF Raw worlds one girl on the Indian team got 2 squats in before judges realised she was wearing Squat Briefs under her singlet. I believe her lifts were overturned, she was DQd from competition.

Similar-ish circumstance, Blaine Sumner benched ridiculous amount of weight for a world record, got Whites. During the interlude before deadlifts, one of the other athletes at the competition pointed out to judges table that in the replay his butt came off the bench. Judges went back to watch the replay. Sumner had his lift overturned.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[OCG]

How the hell do they let a non member check in?

Powerlifting orgs can't figure up how to set up an open database of registered lifters. It's a little pathetic to be honest.

[mouse]

Sure, but looking at the dude's IG he had one on... just not on 'right'.

This is no different to me than if the dude was wearing/using illegal equipment or something. You don't just let the dude go up to the platform, go through the motions, GIVE HIM WHITES, and THEN say aw hey... didn't count.

I know that lifters have been given White Lights for a lift, and then later had them overturned/DQd. At IPF Raw worlds one girl on the Indian team got 2 squats in before judges realised she was wearing Squat Briefs under her singlet. I believe her lifts were overturned, she was DQd from competition.

Similar-ish circumstance, Blaine Sumner benched ridiculous amount of weight for a world record, got Whites. During the interlude before deadlifts, one of the other athletes at the competition pointed out to judges table that in the replay his butt came off the bench. Judges went back to watch the replay. Sumner had his lift overturned.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

K sure, but neither of those examples are directly visible on the lifters face before they even get to the platform hahaha...

[cole]

hes one of the strongest and most well known lifters so hopefully for the USAPLs sake they can justify his DQ otherwise they are not doing any favors for themselves.