WL vs PL numbers?

[KyleSchuant]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb man deadlifting 500lb in the open class of a tested competition would be at 61% of the world record.

The closest WL weight class is 89kg, a little under 200lbs, and the next is 96kg. These are new weight classes so the 89s haven't been set yet, but the standard is 179kg snatch and 216kg C&J, 61% of those would be 109kg snatch and 132kg C&J.

61% WR would also be a 3hr15' marathon time.

Puts things in perspective.

[damufunman]

We want a rigid body from ass to neck, and a controlled dip (shorter and slower than most people think) followed by a violent drive through the floor (on the full foot).

Is this along the lines of Catalyst's elastic vs strength dip and drive thing? I've found that a really short, slowish dip followed by a quick, aggressive drive sometimes works well. Usually forget to do that, and often dip too low (Along with a whole other host of problems).

[convergentsum]

200lb man deadlifting 500. Much stronger than a casual exerciser, obtainable, still way way off from an actual competitive lifter.

What would the comparable numbers be were that 200lb man doing the olympic lifts instead?

A 200lb man deadlifting 500lb in the open class of a tested competition would be at 61% of the world record.

The closest WL weight class is 89kg, a little under 200lbs, and the next is 96kg. These are new weight classes so the 89s haven't been set yet, but the standard is 179kg snatch and 216kg C&J, 61% of those would be 109kg snatch and 132kg C&J.

61% WR would also be a 3hr15' marathon time.

Puts things in perspective.

Do some events have a longer tail, ie elite performances further from the median? That could put someone at 61% of WR in a different percentile for the marathon than it would for the C&J.
eg. I don't think 16s (9.5 / .61) for the 100m is particularly impressive.

[Testiclaw]

We want a rigid body from ass to neck, and a controlled dip (shorter and slower than most people think) followed by a violent drive through the floor (on the full foot).

Is this along the lines of Catalyst's elastic vs strength dip and drive thing? I've found that a really short, slowish dip followed by a quick, aggressive drive sometimes works well. Usually forget to do that, and often dip too low (Along with a whole other host of problems).

It could be, I haven't looked into Catalysts video on it yet.

Outside of a few well-known outliers it seems like most lifters have a very deliberate dip speed, but aggressive leg drive. The cadence is important; you want to load the quads and tendons, so it can't be too slow...but you don't want to lose tension or drop fast enough and lose balance and posture...so it can't be too fast.

And because we're exploiting the properties of tendons and stretch-shortening-cycles, we don't want to go too low.

Most people, when they think aggressive leg drive, either turn that into a fast, spastic dip or they think they need to bend the knees more and more.

I think the distinction between jerk styles is something that can wait until the lifter is moving well and performing basic movements we'll to figure out. Too many people end up in the position of declaring, "I'm more suited towards X style" before they even develop basic proficiency.

The same happens with sumo/conventional pulling in powerlifting, for what it's worth.

[KyleSchuant]

Do some events have a longer tail, ie elite performances further from the median? That could put someone at 61% of WR in a different percentile for the marathon than it would for the C&J.
eg. I don't think 16s (9.5 / .61) for the 100m is particularly impressive.

Greg Knuckols has an article about this for powerlifting meet results, saying which percentile a particular lift fits in. I don't know of one for WL, running, etc.

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/how-t ... is-strong/

[Skander]

Whelp, I don't get to have an opinion. Hit 110/125 in my last meet...

I have deadlifted 500, so I guess I'm allowed to be a powerlifting expert though.