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Interesting, thanks!
I’ve heard a lot of people running minimalist programs recommend doing DL + Chins with no horizontal pull to develop a big back but haven’t heard many (any?) recommend DL + Rows with no vertical pull.
I’ve heard a lot of people running minimalist programs recommend doing DL + Chins with no horizontal pull to develop a big back but haven’t heard many (any?) recommend DL + Rows with no vertical pull.
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I would focus on horizontal row variations and curl variations if I the goal was a big back with big arms over any kind of vertical pull, to be honest.
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What would be your next progression after Push Ups assuming it’s the only upper body pushing exercise you do.
Hoping to soon be at a level that regular push ups are a bit redundant (5 sets of 20 reps in 10 minutes).
Today I tried elevated feet push ups which felt weird and I guess is similar to an incline bench with a bit more work on the upper chest/front delt? But open to trying some other suggestions.
Or would weighting the exercise be the best way forward?
Hoping to soon be at a level that regular push ups are a bit redundant (5 sets of 20 reps in 10 minutes).
Today I tried elevated feet push ups which felt weird and I guess is similar to an incline bench with a bit more work on the upper chest/front delt? But open to trying some other suggestions.
Or would weighting the exercise be the best way forward?
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I would definitely first increase the range of motion my using chairs, push up handles or something like that. That probably cuts the number of reps by 1/3, and your titties might even get sore at first
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Yeah elevated push ups... the more ROM thing (put anything under your hands: phone books (lol), blocks, etc ...and elevate your feet).hoyeahtop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:29 am What would be your next progression after Push Ups assuming it’s the only upper body pushing exercise you do.
Hoping to soon be at a level that regular push ups are a bit redundant (5 sets of 20 reps in 10 minutes).
Today I tried elevated feet push ups which felt weird and I guess is similar to an incline bench with a bit more work on the upper chest/front delt? But open to trying some other suggestions.
Dips between two chairs as a different "push" exercise; either different day, or as a supplementary/accessory lift before/after your push ups.
Pausing them at the bottom. Or bottom up push ups ... no stretch-reflex = harder.
Head stand up against the wall for a OHP-ish lift.
For many people, this will be a maximal type thing (1-3 reps) depending on your body weight.
Do these first, then a bunch more rep-work with push-ups, dips, etc ???
Unless you have a vest, or a good apparatus for this ^ ...Or would weighting the exercise be the best way forward?
...its a pain in the ass, from what I've seen people at my gym when they try it (various ways).
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But it's too short, and I might mess up the screen!!mbasic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:46 amYeah elevated push ups... the more ROM thing (put anything under your hands: phone books (lol),hoyeahtop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:29 am What would be your next progression after Push Ups assuming it’s the only upper body pushing exercise you do.
Hoping to soon be at a level that regular push ups are a bit redundant (5 sets of 20 reps in 10 minutes).
Today I tried elevated feet push ups which felt weird and I guess is similar to an incline bench with a bit more work on the upper chest/front delt? But open to trying some other suggestions.
I've seen people (on the interwebz (successfully, I think)) use chains.Head stand up against the wall for a OHP-ish lift.
For many people, this will be a maximal type thing (1-3 reps) depending on your body weight.
Do these first, then a bunch more rep-work with push-ups, dips, etc ???
Unless you have a vest, or a good apparatus for this ^ ...Or would weighting the exercise be the best way forward?
...its a pain in the ass, from what I've seen people at my gym when they try it (various ways).
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yep.
+1 on da chainz.
Chainz are just anabolic on their own .... just sitting there in your gym.
(we don't have any chains at my globo-country-club-of-a-gym; thats way too low-brow)
+1 on da chainz.
Chainz are just anabolic on their own .... just sitting there in your gym.
(we don't have any chains at my globo-country-club-of-a-gym; thats way too low-brow)
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I think for now I might work on bringing the rep time up (2 seconds down, pause at bottom and explode up) as I just kind of power through them at the moment. Is this actually beneficial however or am I just making it harder for no gain?
Also, I use small push up handles (linked below), should I be touching my chest to the floor? At the moment I just go to where I imagine the handle would touch my chest. That’ll be another way to make it slightly more difficult.
https://www.johnlewis.com/adidas-push-u ... lsrc=aw.ds
Also, I use small push up handles (linked below), should I be touching my chest to the floor? At the moment I just go to where I imagine the handle would touch my chest. That’ll be another way to make it slightly more difficult.
https://www.johnlewis.com/adidas-push-u ... lsrc=aw.ds
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Actually just been reading about band resistance push ups and think I may try them next as I have a few resistance bands that I’m not using at the moment. https://www.strongerbyscience.com/band- ... ul-is-emg/
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If you would like to play around a bit with what pushup variations you can do, I have found inspiration here:
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Would running a training cycle of pure density work be stupid? No prescribed sets/reps, just timed amrap/emom stuff.
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How is, in the context of being the main cause of hypertrophy, mechanical tension defined/measured?
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Itensity x ROM x durationplaguewielder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 pm How is, in the context of being the main cause of hypertrophy, mechanical tension defined/measured?
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mettkeks wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:52 pmItensity x ROM x durationplaguewielder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 pm How is, in the context of being the main cause of hypertrophy, mechanical tension defined/measured?
What's the goal? Strength, yes stupid. Hypertrophy? Not stupid. Work capacity/endurance? Great.
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One of my go-to "resets" for training is just 50/20 for trap bar deadlifts and bench press.
Pick a weight, go by feel, when you get all 50 reps within 20 minutes, add weight. I'd do two session of benching and two sessions of trap bar a week, followed by lat fluff.
After a few weeks or months I'd move onto more "reasonable" programming.
Sometimes simplicity and no real rigidity is nice. Density work is fucking amazing for that.
Pick a weight, go by feel, when you get all 50 reps within 20 minutes, add weight. I'd do two session of benching and two sessions of trap bar a week, followed by lat fluff.
After a few weeks or months I'd move onto more "reasonable" programming.
Sometimes simplicity and no real rigidity is nice. Density work is fucking amazing for that.
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You’ve got all kinds of neat ideas. We’re really gonna have to do an Exodus whip-around to fund your template-bender with Hanley.Testiclaw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:45 pm One of my go-to "resets" for training is just 50/20 for trap bar deadlifts and bench press.
Pick a weight, go by feel, when you get all 50 reps within 20 minutes, add weight. I'd do two session of benching and two sessions of trap bar a week, followed by lat fluff.
After a few weeks or months I'd move onto more "reasonable" programming.
Sometimes simplicity and no real rigidity is nice. Density work is fucking amazing for that.
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That's an old Bryce Lane setup, not my idea!lehman906 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:21 pmYou’ve got all kinds of neat ideas. We’re really gonna have to do an Exodus whip-around to fund your template-bender with Hanley.Testiclaw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:45 pm One of my go-to "resets" for training is just 50/20 for trap bar deadlifts and bench press.
Pick a weight, go by feel, when you get all 50 reps within 20 minutes, add weight. I'd do two session of benching and two sessions of trap bar a week, followed by lat fluff.
After a few weeks or months I'd move onto more "reasonable" programming.
Sometimes simplicity and no real rigidity is nice. Density work is fucking amazing for that.
I don't actually have any ideas of my own...I've just collected a million from other people that I've been able to tweak to make work for me.
50/20, OTM, Shaf's Ladders, etc etc
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Thank you. Why isn't tempo work then more common? If you can swap intensity for time?mettkeks wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:52 pmItensity x ROM x durationplaguewielder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 pm How is, in the context of being the main cause of hypertrophy, mechanical tension defined/measured?
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I haven't got a trap bar, but it's been on my wishlist for a while and this makes me want one even more. I love this idea. Might try it for bench.Testiclaw wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:45 pm One of my go-to "resets" for training is just 50/20 for trap bar deadlifts and bench press.
Pick a weight, go by feel, when you get all 50 reps within 20 minutes, add weight. I'd do two session of benching and two sessions of trap bar a week, followed by lat fluff.
After a few weeks or months I'd move onto more "reasonable" programming.
Sometimes simplicity and no real rigidity is nice. Density work is fucking amazing for that.
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"Mechanical Tension is the main driver of hypertrophy" makes sense since that's the work the muscle produces, and you can measure it. It is a better metric than tonnage, because it considers intensity (RPE) and the distance the bar traveled (ROM, joint angle change).plaguewielder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:58 pmThank you. Why isn't tempo work then more common? If you can swap intensity for time?mettkeks wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:52 pmItensity x ROM x durationplaguewielder wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 pm How is, in the context of being the main cause of hypertrophy, mechanical tension defined/measured?
Think about rep count. 10 vs. 3 reps, same RPE/ROM. Same with tempo work. But you have to keep the training goal in mind. Tension roughly estimates the effectiveness of a given set in terms of hypertrophy. If you want to build muscle, any set @8 will do, but longer/more sets with longer ROM ( in short: volume) will net more stimulus. Yet sets of 25 aren't great for strength increases, doubles @8 don't allow for much volume, and half reps for 8 aren't any productive unless you really push the weight.