"Core muscles are designed to prevent movement"

[Hanley]

because that's their job

Non-jumping-or-running-motherfucker thinks the calves’ job is stability.

[ithryn]

Non-jumping-or-running-motherfucker thinks the calves’ job is stability.

[Hanley]

Non-jumping-or-running-motherfucker thinks the calves’ job is stability.

Inventor of the Aasgardian squat wondered why he kept “popping his calf” running hills.

Maybe ‘cause any high-force big-ROM was novel stress at the calves? Hmm? Maybe?

[Kregna]

Non-jumping-or-running-motherfucker thinks the calves’ job is stability.

Inventor of the Aasgardian squat wondered why he kept “popping his calf” running hills.

Maybe ‘cause any high-force big-ROM was novel stress at the calves? Hmm? Maybe?

So you disagree with only the function or the calves or also of the training of them for those rogues who run and jump?

[Hanley]

Non-jumping-or-running-motherfucker thinks the calves’ job is stability.

Inventor of the Aasgardian squat wondered why he kept “popping his calf” running hills.

Maybe ‘cause any high-force big-ROM was novel stress at the calves? Hmm? Maybe?

So you disagree with only the function or the calves or also of the training of them for those rogues who run and jump?

Violent plantarflexion is involved in the most powerful ballistic movements.

I think low bar squats are a super shitty way to train calves for ballistic (or slow, high-force) plantarflexion.

Edit: oh, and tacking on cleans 1x a week with some prowler work thrown really isn’t enough

[OCG]

So what you're saying is, we should all run more?

[mbasic]

Violent plantarflexion is involved in the most powerful ballistic movements.
I think low bar squats are a super shitty way to train calves for ballistic (or slow, high-force) plantarflexion.
Edit: oh, and tacking on cleans 1x a week with some prowler work thrown really isn’t enough

. nevermind

[mbasic]

So what you're saying is, we should all run more?

some calf raises might not be a bad idea.

If you/they/we believe tendons, ligaments, and what not can get stronger or more durable from lifting . . . then yeah, your Achilles anit getting much stress from low bar squats and deadlifts.

If you are never going to going do any:
- running,
- jumping,
- ballistic movements,
- chase the dog,
- chase your kids,
- play basketball, raquetball, softball
- jump down from a fence, or roof (xmas lights), or a tree (trimming),
- jump off a ladder
- or never ever have an accident
. . . and/or any shit like that^ in life . . . .

then yeah, keep squatting as your primary way to train your calves & ankles.

you'll be fine.

And for those of you that say (Wolff comes to mind) that "my calves ("muscle" belly) grew with my squats" . . . well, that's because different reasons. May or may not made your Achilles or other shit any more durable. And you your probably weigh more now too as well.
Might not be the same

[mbasic]

. dbl post

[Hanley]

So what you're saying is, we should all run more?

The conditional works thusly:

If you regularly use a muscle group in high-velocity/high-force contexts, then you should train that muscle group (high threshold MUs) using both low-velocity/high-force (weights with near full joint ROM) and high-velocity/high-force (sports practice).

^ more practical advice: athletes should use a program that includes front squats (and maybe something calf-raise-y(

[d0uevenlift]

Non-jumping-or-running-motherfucker thinks the calves’ job is stability.

Inventor of the Aasgardian squat wondered why he kept “popping his calf” running hills.

Maybe ‘cause any high-force big-ROM was novel stress at the calves? Hmm? Maybe?

So you disagree with only the function or the calves or also of the training of them for those rogues who run and jump?

Violent plantarflexion is involved in the most powerful ballistic movements.

I think low bar squats are a super shitty way to train calves for ballistic (or slow, high-force) plantarflexion.

Edit: oh, and tacking on cleans 1x a week with some prowler work thrown really isn’t enough

I trained with my jumpsoles in high school in the 90s. Best gimmick ever.

[Mahendra]

Would front squats, power cleans (twice a week) & the air bike (5x a week) be sufficient in training calf muscles?

Or would one also need to incorporate calf raises as well?

[Hanley]

Would front squats, power cleans (twice a week) & the air bike (5x a week) be sufficient in training calf muscles?

Or would one also need to incorporate calf raises as well?

Depends. Certainly sounds like plenty of work for anyone who's not a competing athlete. I think the front squats are the most important thing. They're training a big portion of the ankle's ROM with a heavy load (you don't get the terminal plantarflexion...but, meh).

[chrisd]

Would front squats, power cleans (twice a week) & the air bike (5x a week) be sufficient in training calf muscles?

Or would one also need to incorporate calf raises as well?

Depends. Certainly sounds like plenty of work for anyone who's not a competing athlete. I think the front squats are the most important thing. They're training a big portion of the ankle's ROM with a heavy load (you don't get the terminal plantarflexion...but, meh).

I do, but I am bad at front squats.

[tersh]

...Javelin throwing, fucking...

Performed at an adequate intensity, this is an excellent workout for the core muscles.
However, this level of intensity is really not for everyone.

[TimK]

...Javelin throwing, fucking...

Performed at an adequate intensity, this is an excellent workout for the core muscles.
However, this level of intensity is really not for everyone.

...or every occasion