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2-Week "Montana Method" Template

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Post by Hanley » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:14 pm

Here's a 2-week template. Sorry for ugly formatting (if someone wants to make pretty tables..awesome). For each cycle, I'd either use an arbitrary load increment (say +5-10# on squat and deads and +2.5-5# on bench), or recalculate e1rms based on bar speeds.


Wk1D1

Squat

6x5@70%

Do sets of 5 until you hit a set @9...or until you complete set 6, whichever comes first.

Rest about 2 minutes between sets.


Bench

7x5@70%
Do sets of 5 until you hit an @9 set, or until you complete 7 sets of 5, whichever comes first.

Rest about 2 minutes between sets.


Chins/Pullups or Lat Pulldown or BB/DB Rows

10 minute density block

Wk1D2

Overhead Press

top single @9, then
7 minute density block using 80% of top single

HIIT/LISS

Wk1D3


Squat

warmup to
1x3@60%
1x2@70%
2 singles @77.5%
1@~82%
1@90%


Bench

warmup to
3@60%
2@70%
2 singles @77.5%
1@85%
1@92%


Closed-grip Bench Press


2-3x8@65% bench e1rm



Deadlift
1@90%, then
5x4@75%

Wk1D4: rest/chins/pullups OR cardio
Wk1D5:


Squat

warmup to
5x3@80%


Bench

warmup to
3@80%, TnG, rest, then
1@80% with comp pause, rest then

3@80%, TnG rest, then
1@80% with comp pause, rest then

3@80%, TnG rest, then
1@80% with comp pause, rest then

3@80%, TnG rest, then
1@80% with comp pause,


Snatch Grip Deadlift


warmup to
4 sets of 5 @~55% of conventional e1rm

Wk1D6&7: rest/chins/pullups OR cardio


####

Wk2D1

Squat

warmup to
3x4@75%, then using same weight
4x3@75%


Bench

3x4@75%, then using same weight
4x3@75%


Chins/Pullups or Lat Pulldown or BB/DB Rows

7 minute density block

Wk2D2:


Overhead Press

10 minute density block with last week's weight


HIIT/LISS

Wk2D3:

Squat

warmup to
1x3@60%
1x2@70%
2 singles @77.5%
1@~82%
1@90%
1@92-93%


Bench

warmup to
3@60%
2@70%
2 singles @77.5%
1@85%
1@90%
1@95%


Close-grip Bench Press

2-3x8@65% bench e1rm


Deadlift

1@92%
5x4@80%

Or, for less stress
1@92%, then
4-6 x3@80%

Wk2D4: rest/chins/pullups OR cardio

Wk2D5:

Squat

3x3@82%
3x2@82%


Bench (optional: briefly pause first rep of each set)

4x3@82%
2x2@82%


Snatch Grip Deadlift

warmup to
4x5@60% of conventional e1rm


Wk1D6&7: rest/chins/pullups OR cardio
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Re: 2-Week "Montana Method" Template

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Post by GlasgowJock » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:35 pm

I was wondering when there would be some *public material*. Thanks for this @Hanley

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Post by stevan » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:44 pm

Very cool. What's the context for this? After LP? Where would you go from here? Longer blocks?

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Post by Hanley » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:50 pm

stevan wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:44 pm Very cool. What's the context for this? After LP?
Post LP. Post recovery from TM injuries. Comeback after layoff (I’ll probably run this very template myself for ~2 months...with front squats, of course).
stevan wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:44 pmWhere would you go from here? Longer blocks?
Yeah...post novice, you could probably cycle through this a bunch of times, then move to a 4-8 week cycle.

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Post by brettj » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:13 pm

Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:14 pm Deadlift

1@92%
5x4@80%
This seems really hard...

Also, thanks for posting this. Have been really enjoying training lately while trying to use some your ideas.

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Post by Hanley » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:17 pm

brettj wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:13 pm
Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:14 pm Deadlift

1@92%
5x4@80%
This seems really hard...

Also, thanks for posting this. Have been really enjoying training lately while trying to use some your ideas.
It is. If necessary, scale it down using the h-value calculator.

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Post by JohnHelton » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:25 pm

This is great. I may very well scrap my previous plans for my next block. @Hanley Can you comment generally on expected rest? I'm under the impression that it is generally less than I'm use to. I see the 2 minutes b/w sets. Should we apply that consistently?

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Post by TimK » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:51 pm

Thanks for posting this, very much appreciated!

I'm curious, what led to the lower deadlift vs. squat volume and use of SGDL?

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Post by Hanley » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:25 pm

TimK wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:51 pmI'm curious, what led to the lower deadlift vs. squat volume and use of SGDL?
As much as I hate to admit this, I think squats are probably superior for hypertrophy & that squats transfer better to deadlift than vice versa.

SGDL: I think they have an uncanny ability to correct problems with back extension. They feel massively fucked if back extension isn’t there, so feedback on the technical fault is immediate & strong in a way that it’s not with conventional pulls. Also: jacked rhomboids, lats, traps & rear delts.

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Post by PatrickDB » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:32 pm

Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:17 pm
brettj wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:13 pm
Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:14 pm Deadlift

1@92%
5x4@80%
This seems really hard...

Also, thanks for posting this. Have been really enjoying training lately while trying to use some your ideas.
It is. If necessary, scale it down using the h-value calculator.
Yeah, it sucked when I did it last Wednesday. Can you explain your thinking? It seems like a bizarrely large amount of stress.

edit: I'll make a pretty table tonight.

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Post by Hanley » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:52 pm

PatrickDB wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:32 pmYeah, it sucked when I did it last Wednesday. Can you explain your thinking? It seems like a bizarrely large amount of stress.
- It's the lone heavy-pull session of the week. I'm blowing apart the 48-hour recovery rule.

- Squat stress on Power Day is super low.

- Residual lumbar fatigue might be an issue on Strength Day squats. Managing the fatigue would have to be a case by case thing.

- There's really not much of an eccentric on pulls.


Other options for week 2 (if the prescription is too crazy);

top single at 90-92%, then
4-6 sets x 3 @80%

OR 1 at @8-8.5, then drop ~15%
for 4-6 sets of 3.

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Post by damufunman » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:15 pm

Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:17 pm
brettj wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:13 pm
Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:14 pm Deadlift

1@92%
5x4@80%
This seems really hard...

Also, thanks for posting this. Have been really enjoying training lately while trying to use some your ideas.
It is. If necessary, scale it down using the h-value calculator.
Awesome @Hanley ! FWIW, I managed 1@92% then 5x3 @ 85% on deadlifts this weekend pretty easily (no measured barspeed decay). Why the switch from triples to 4s? Is this in lieu of hypertrophy pulls? I see you have SGDLs.

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Post by convergentsum » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:04 am

This looks awesome! On a layoff at the moment, but excited to try this out asap. Here's a not-very-pretty table... I added RPE equivalents to some of the top singles, is that useful? Maybe misleading at the end of a ramping set.
week 1week 2
1squat
(6 or <@9)x5 @70% (2 minutes rest)

(3x4, 4x3) @75%
bench
(7 or <@9)x5 @70% (2 minutes rest)

(3x4, 4x3) @75%
chins / pullups or lat. pulldowns or BB/DB rows
10 minute density block

7 minute density block
2over-head press
1 @9, 7 minute density block @80% of top single

10 minute density block, same weight
LISS / HIITLISS / HIIT
3squat
3 @60%, 2 @70%, 2x1 @77.5%,
1 @~82%, 1 @90% (@7-7.5)

3 @60%, 2 @70%, 2x1 @77.5%,
1 @~82%, 1 @90%, 1 @92-93% (@8-8.5)
bench
3 @60%, 2 @70%, 2x1 @77.5%,
1 @85%, 1@92% (@7.5-8)

3 @60%, 2 @70%, 2x1 @77.5%,
1 @85%, 1 @90%, 1 @95% (@8.5-9)
close-grip bench
2-3x8 @65% of bench e1rm

2-3x8 @65%
deadlift
1 @90% (@7-7.5),
5x4 @75%

1 @92% (@7.5-8),
(5x4 or 4-6x3) @80%
4rest / chins / pullups or cardiorest / chins / pullups or cardio
5squat
5x3 @80%

(3x3, 3x2) @82%
bench
4x4 @80%
tng except comp. pause & rest prior to last rep of each set

(4x3, 2x2) @82%
tng except optional brief pause on first rep of each set
snatch-grip deadlift
4x5 @55% of conventional e1rm

4x5 @60%
6rest / chins / pullups or cardiorest / chins / pullups or cardio
7rest / chins / pullups or cardiorest / chins / pullups or cardio

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Post by cgeorg » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:54 am

convergentsum wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:04 am This looks awesome! On a layoff at the moment, but excited to try this out asap. Here's a not-very-pretty table... I added RPE equivalents to some of the top singles, is that useful? Maybe misleading at the end of a ramping set.
I've taken the percentages as prescriptions despite training readiness that day - there doesn't seem to be enough work close to failure to make feels on an 82% lift require backing off of a 90% lift to keep it at 7.5 - even if it ends up being an 8.5, it's just one. Curious what @Hanley's thoughts are on the matter.

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Post by JonA » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:00 am

PatrickDB wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:32 pm
Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:17 pm
brettj wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:13 pm
Hanley wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:14 pm Deadlift

1@92%
5x4@80%
This seems really hard...

Also, thanks for posting this. Have been really enjoying training lately while trying to use some your ideas.
It is. If necessary, scale it down using the h-value calculator.
Yeah, it sucked when I did it last Wednesday. Can you explain your thinking? It seems like a bizarrely large amount of stress.
Was just about to comment that I didn't think it was all that bad, but then realized I had 1@90 and 5x4 @ 77%. Special snowflake for the win.

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Post by DoctorWho » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:27 am

Can this be made a sticky so it's easy to find?

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Post by cwd » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:40 am

Many thanks, @Hanley.

I was planning to start a DUP-style program today anyway, your timing is perfect. Will attempt to follow it as-written, with whatever volume reductions my shitty recovery requires.

Allergy season is kicking off in Ohio, and historically I've had my worst episodes of tendinopathy when my allergies are bad. I'll be watching the inflammation closely.

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Post by SpinyNorman » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:51 am

JonA wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:00 am Was just about to comment that I didn't think it was all that bad, but then realized I had 1@90 and 5x4 @ 77%. Special snowflake for the win.
Special, but not unique snowflake. That's what I'm in for tonight.

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Post by JonA » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:03 am

cwd wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:40 am Many thanks, @Hanley.

I was planning to start a DUP-style program today anyway, your timing is perfect. Will attempt to follow it as-written, with whatever volume reductions my shitty recovery requires.

Allergy season is kicking off in Ohio, and historically I've had my worst episodes of tendinopathy when my allergies are bad. I'll be watching the inflammation closely.
I've had a really excellent response to @Hanley's programming when it comes to tendinopathy and inflammation. I haven't even been wearing my knee sleeves the last few weeks. :o

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Post by cwd » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:22 am

JonA wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:03 am
cwd wrote: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:40 am Allergy season is kicking off in Ohio, and historically I've had my worst episodes of tendinopathy when my allergies are bad. I'll be watching the inflammation closely.
I've had a really excellent response to @Hanley's programming when it comes to tendinopathy and inflammation. I haven't even been wearing my knee sleeves the last few weeks. :o
Thanks @JonA, this is my goal in switching programs now.

Looking over the template closely, day 3 looks tough. I'll sandbag my e1rm targets a bit for the first cycle.

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